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said by kamm  :This is utter BS, simply dead FALSE. BTW this common false-iditic belief about Marxism is very virulent here, in the USA, where people are gravely ill-educated about these things, thanks to the craptastic quality of firs- and second-level US education, especially compared to their Asian or European countrerparts. You said it, man! Most have never read a single page about Marxism and only parrots what they've been told by ignorants in the corporate media. |
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said by kamm :BTW this common false-iditic belief about Marxism is very virulent here, in the USA, where people are gravely ill-educated about these things, thanks to the craptastic quality of firs- and second-level US education, especially compared to their Asian or European countrerparts. Can you restate it so that it is accurate?
(+1 for the funny use of "craptastic"!) 
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said by TKJunkMail :said by funchords :said by karlmarx :And pray tell me, why exactly SHOULD [other countries] respect copyright? Because we are a global community, and most of the globe has recognized copyright as a way to create and support the industry of creating entertainment and dispensing information. But KarlMarx's communist philosophy is that "the people" own everything and individuals own nothing. This is utter BS, simply dead FALSE.
BTW this common false-iditic belief about Marxism is very virulent here, in the USA, where people are gravely ill-educated about these things, thanks to the craptastic quality of firs- and second-level US education, especially compared to their Asian or European countrerparts.
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said by funchords :The terms are ridiculously long, that much I'm convinced about. I think the lyrics to "Happy Birthday" are finally getting close to expiring copyright. Not for at least another 20 years. And that's if they haven't passed another extension within that time. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by funchords :said by karlmarx :And pray tell me, why exactly SHOULD [other countries] respect copyright? Because we are a global community, and most of the globe has recognized copyright as a way to create and support the industry of creating entertainment and dispensing information. But KarlMarx's communist philosophy is that "the people" own everything and individuals own nothing. Well isn't that the implicit philosophy of Republicans and Democrats who support taxation of income and property? All property and labor belongs to the collective sum of the people, so these laws bear out when tested. It is only the rich and powerful who attempt to place themselves above that law. |
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said by TKJunkMail :But KarlMarx's communist philosophy is that "the people" own everything and individuals own nothing. Right, and this is basically true of "Intellectual Property." It is not like physical property that one can possess and sell. "Intellectual Property" consists of unique ideas and expressions that defy containment.
Physical property has a natural friction. If I sell you mine, I have one less, so we're apt to find a price that will cause the exchange. "Intellectual Property" has no such friction. You have no incentive to buy since inspecting the goods for sale essentially takes its value.
In a capitalist society, those of us who sing, think, and paint would likely starve because anyone could sing someone else's song, copy someone's idea, or fake someone's painting. Only the exceptional would survive.
In Communism, those of us who toil, hunt, and gather share with those who sing, think, and paint.
Copyright is a special recognition that "intellectual property" is different than physical property, and won't make money in a free market that depends on competition. We free-marketers have embraced Communism in this special case.
Congress creates exclusive (no-competition) rights in order to temporarily create a rewarding market (as long as people are willing to obey this law). Through decree, we give qualities that thoughts and expressions do not normally have but that physical property has naturally.
I'm not sure it's working as it should -- there sure are a lot of immensely talented people making no money and large amounts of money seem to be going to very few in the (sometimes questionably so-called) talent pool.
The terms are ridiculously long, that much I'm convinced about. I think the lyrics to "Happy Birthday" are finally getting close to expiring copyright.
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said by funchords :said by karlmarx :And pray tell me, why exactly SHOULD [other countries] respect copyright? Because we are a global community, and most of the globe has recognized copyright as a way to create and support the industry of creating entertainment and dispensing information. But KarlMarx's communist philosophy is that "the people" own everything and individuals own nothing.
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