said by karlmarx :

said by quatrix :

Is this another one of your justifications for stealing?

said by N3OGH :

Two wrongs obviously don't make right.

said by karlmarx :

The problem, quite simply, is that the US Capitalist ENABLE the chinese communist to oppress their own people. We don't really care WHAT kind of government we sell our stuff to, we don't care how badly it screws middle america by outsourcing our jobs. The only thing that this administration cares about is making the rich, even richer.

Region          2003      2007
New England   $32,993   $40,066
Mideast        31,358    38,321
Great Lakes    27,818    31,902
Plains         27,477    32,224
Southeast      25,577    30,781
Southwest      25,945    31,926
Rocky Mountain 26,771    31,812
Far West       29,256    35,320

United States  28,061    33,619

said by karlmarx :

The problem, quite simply, is that the US Capitalist ENABLE the chinese communist to oppress their own people.

said by karlmarx :

The problem, quite simply, is that the US Capitalist ENABLE the chinese communist to oppress their own people.

said by TKJunkMail :

So let me see if I have this right? The problem with China isn't their own Communist leaders who are oppressing their own people, but the US capitalists.

Through a Glass Darkly.

said by pianotech :

In a word, yes. One expects China's communist leaders to suppress information in order to oppress their citizens.

What we have here is a company that is helping China's leader do this by choosing profits over principal. You don't see that?

I don't see that.

If we held companies responsible to US democracy ideals in China, then their choice would be

1. Refuse to do any business in China based on their corporate principles, thus offering no American exposure to the Chinese people -- end result, no business in China

2. Be closed down by the Chinese government for failing to follow their laws, thus offering no American exposure to the Chinese people -- end result, no business in China

Net result -- it furthers the spread of freedom and democracy to do business there, meeting their people, showing civility despite our freedoms, and breaking-down misconceptions and preconceptions.

said by pianotech :

Sorry, I disagree.

said by pianotech :

If a company is doing business in China only on the condition of censoring as the Chinese authorities please, how does that qualify as American exposure to the Chinese people? If, for instance, a Chinese citizen searches Google for "Tienneman Square" and finds absolutely nothing about the protest movement and subsequent government crackdown, that is simply an American company doing the Chinese government's bidding. For profit.

said by pianotech :

How does this serve to "further the spread of freedom and democracy?"