battleop
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| Just wondering.
I remember reading several places that Bell had language in their Contracts with the NSPs that says they could throttle their wholesale accounts. Why didn't the NSPs raise hell when they signed the contracts?
AT&T/Bellsouth has similar language in their contracts with NSPs, yet no one is yelling at AT&T. When they do eventually pull this same kind of stunt you will hear from the NSPs. Well if they still exist and AT&T has not lobbied them out of existence.
To clear things up, I don't support the Bell throttling. That is something that should be left up to the ISP, not the wholesaler. |
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| said by battleop :I remember reading several places that Bell had language in their Contracts with the NSPs that says they could throttle their wholesale accounts. Why didn't the NSPs raise hell when they signed the contracts? AT&T/Bellsouth has similar language in their contracts with NSPs, yet no one is yelling at AT&T. When they do eventually pull this same kind of stunt you will hear from the NSPs. Well if they still exist and AT&T has not lobbied them out of existence. To clear things up, I don't support the Bell throttling. That is something that should be left up to the ISP, not the wholesaler. You read wrong..
And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler??? wtf world do you live in? That's EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED!! The ISP (Bell) decided to THROTTLE EVERYONE, Their own and WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS (Customers that aren't their own)
Dude i've read worthless posts, but this one takes the cake, you even know what you're talkin about??? |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Ok, first of all this is not a Fox News ALERT! You do not have to use extra exclamation points nor do you have to use all caps randomly.
"And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler???"
It should be the ISPs choice to throttle not the wholesaler (Bell). I didn't say the ISPs should throttle, but if anyone should make that decision it should be the ISP. They are the one offering the service to the end user not the wholesaler. |
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adisor19
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| said by battleop :Ok, first of all this is not a Fox News ALERT! You do not have to use extra exclamation points nor do you have to use all caps randomly. "And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler???" It should be the ISPs choice to throttle not the wholesaler (Bell). I didn't say the ISPs should throttle, but if anyone should make that decision it should be the ISP. They are the one offering the service to the end user not the wholesaler. Oh WOW ! These ISPs are NOT Wholesalers !! They are not purchasing the bandwidth from Bell. They are merely paying for a link between the Bell collocation and their OWN collocation where they have their servers and their own high level Internet provider. The problem is Bell are a**holes and decieded the throttle that link between the 2 colocation thus putting these ISPs in the same crap as Bell's own Sympatico internet service.
Adi |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Thinking the last couple posts are saying the same thing... Thinking there's just a lingo difference here guys. Battleop... Most of the discussions to date have had companies like ours identified as wholesalers as we're buying from an incumbent/Carrier... Thinking you are all signing the same song here, just with a different tongue of sorts! 
Regards,
Rocky
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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Sigh....
They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by battleop :Sigh.... They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. You guys are definitely signing the same song....
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adisor19
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| said by R0CKY :said by battleop :Sigh.... They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. You guys are definitely signing the same song.... Well however you look at it Rocky, Bell are still a monopolistic parasite that needs to be badly broken up / regulated. Helas the CRTC is moving at a snail's pace..
Adi |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| reply to R0CKY
We have to deal with AT&T's Wholesale group for our BBG connection. This probably the same for you but the probably have a different set of acronyms. In my world a wholesale DSL circuit is just an A to Z connection. We have to add our network and resources to this connection to make things work for the end user. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by battleop :We have to deal with AT&T's Wholesale group for our BBG connection. This probably the same for you but the probably have a different set of acronyms. In my world a wholesale DSL circuit is just an A to Z connection. We have to add our network and resources to this connection to make things work for the end user. Yup... it's similar to that example here.
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battleop
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| reply to adisor19
The only real way to break them up is to split them into a wholesale and retail side. Let the ILEC become the ones that maintain the "Network" and bring products to market. Regulate the wholesale side and make USF fees work like they are intended to.
Let the retail side operate like a CLec. The ILecs often complain that their hands are tied when comes to competing with Clecs on pricing. This would free them up to compete on pricing. If they are paying the same price that any other CLec pays then they could compete accordingly. |
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