pandora
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
I think New York states attorney general (Mr. Cuomo) was threatening to sue Comcast if they didn't preclude access to some porn and what not on newsgroups. The easiest out for Comcast was probably just to do away with the entire thing. See - »Comcast Caves to Cuomo Legal Threat
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tcope
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said by jbob  :Perhaps you need to take that up with NNTP and Email providers as to why they don't offer them for free then. There's a reason most of this stuff isn't available for free...it cost $$$$ to provide it. Every month when I pay my Comcast bill I realize it's not free. When an ISP is _charging_ $60/month for www, email and Usenet and then they eliminate one of those services, they are providing less for the same charge. So basically I'm paying _more_ now. No one said anything about anything being free. |
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CableTool
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said by Welcome to Post :said by CableTool :said by beerbum :so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month? Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts? I've been a Comcast HSI subscriber for eight years, and newsgroups have been a part of the package Comcast has marketed that whole time. Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices? I'm not sure how that's relevant, since we're talking about reduction in services without a commiserate reduction in price. Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not. Correction: nothing is free from a for-profit company. Newsgroups have been part of the internet package that Comcast markets. We are now facing a reduction in that package. When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction.
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jinjimbob
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said by RR Conductor :said by ELRefugee :Usenet isn't "going" anywhere. The world is simply being divided into haves and have-nots -- and almost the whole world is in that first category. America's major ISPs are forcing their customers into the second. Fortunately plenty of smaller ISPs are still around. Buh bye Comcast. I know it's not going away, I was just saying I won't miss it on Comcast. It's a great resource, no doubt, but the pedos, psychos and weirdos have ruined it for the rest, and you will continue to see attacks on it because of them. These same people use trains too, lets get rid of those. |
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dadkins
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| reply to tcope
said by tcope :said by jbob :Perhaps you need to take that up with NNTP and Email providers as to why they don't offer them for free then. There's a reason most of this stuff isn't available for free...it cost $$$$ to provide it. Every month when I pay my Comcast bill I realize it's not free. When an ISP is _charging_ $60/month for www, email and Usenet and then they eliminate one of those services, they are providing less for the same charge. So basically I'm paying _more_ now. No one said anything about anything being free. In the 5 years of Comcast HSI I have had, I have seen speeds increase from 1500kbps to 6000mbps.
If I was still on the standard HSI, I guess my monthly charge should be... what? $171.80 now?
4 times the speed I had back in 2003 and no price increase? WTF, huh?
See my post above where I started paying $10 more.
$52.95 for 4mbps and now I have 16mbps for that same $52.95.
Should be $211.80, right?
$52.95 x 4 = $211.80
It's alright for them to keep adding speed at no additional cost but when they kill off a unused service for 90+% of their customers they are a POS?
Tell ya what, take some of that money that they aren't charging you and pay for NG service.
»https://secure.giganews.com/signup/
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tcope
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| said by dadkins :In the 5 years of Comcast HSI I have had, I have seen speeds increase from 1500kbps to 6000mbps. If I was still on the standard HSI, I guess my monthly charge should be... what? $171.80 now? 4 times the speed I had back in 2003 and no price increase? WTF, huh? See my post above where I started paying $10 more. $52.95 for 4mbps and now I have 16mbps for that same $52.95. Should be $211.80, right? $52.95 x 4 = $211.80 It's alright for them to keep adding speed at no additional cost but when they kill off a unused service for 90+% of their customers they are a POS? Tell ya what, take some of that money that they aren't charging you and pay for NG service. » https:// secure.giganews.com/signup/ Apples and oranges. Price of technology has come done tremendously. I bought a 386 with a 40MB HD for $1000. By your accounting I should be able to buy the same machine now for about a whole lot more. Also competition has reduced prices.
But your not following my post... I did not mention anything about pricing... I stated that Usenet was a part of the Internet. |
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tcope
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Sandy, UT
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| reply to CableTool
said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. So Comcast offered Internet service without Usenet when they first started? Also, your statement is flawed in that the cost to deliver service has become less expensive. Granted, service has increased as well. But let's look at reality for a moment... when Usenet started it too very little resources. It's resources have increased and so has the cost of Internet access. You really think Comcast has never increased it's price due to the resources of Usenet? |
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mogulman
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said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. AT&T used to have their own news servers. Then they moved it to giganews. If they are going to remove this function of the internet, they should reduce the price they are charging. |
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dadkins
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| reply to tcope
Apples and oranges right back at you friend.
Here in 2008, how many other things cost WAY more than they did back in 2003?
Consumables?
Usenet is still there!
I even provided you a link where you can get unlimited service.
Go price...
Gas.
Food.
Cars.
Yet, the same $42.95 today gets you WAY faster speeds?
You are actually complaining about losing 2GB of NG? 
If it were unlimited NG, I could possibly see it, but 2GB?
As has been stated before, bandwidth is not free or infinite.
I'm at 4x what I was getting just a few years ago - same price!
4 times! 4+4+4+4 = 16
*HERE* there was no competition for the 8mbps I had, but Comcast hit me with 16 anyways - for the hell of it apparently.
Bad Comcast!
Now, they want to eliminate something I rarely even opened and when I did open it I couldn't actually use? CYA! LOL!
I think the loss of 2GB of giganews is slightly offset by the 4x speed increase. 
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Rob
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said by mogulman :said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. AT&T used to have their own news servers. Then they moved it to giganews. If they are going to remove this function of the internet, they should reduce the price they are charging. Then Comcast should have raised the rates when they increased upload speeds for 384 and 768 to 1mb and 2mb, respectively, no? |
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tcope
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| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Apples and oranges right back at you friend. Here in 2008, how many other things cost WAY more than they did back in 2003? Consumables? Usenet is still there! I even provided you a link where you can get unlimited service. Go price... Gas. Food. Cars. Yet, the same $42.95 today gets you WAY faster speeds? You are actually complaining about losing 2GB of NG? If it were unlimited NG, I could possibly see it, but 2GB? As has been stated before, bandwidth is not free or infinite. I'm at 4x what I was getting just a few years ago - same price! 4 times! 4+4+4+4 = 16 *HERE* there was no competition for the 8mbps I had, but Comcast hit me with 16 anyways - for the hell of it apparently. Bad Comcast! Now, they want to eliminate something I rarely even opened and when I did open it I couldn't actually use? CYA! LOL! I think the loss of 2GB of giganews is slightly offset by the 4x speed increase. What I point out was that technology becomes less expensive and other consumable (items you mentioned) become more expensive. I even gave a perfectly good example of this. Not sure how much more clear I can be on that.
I've never used Comcast NG and always used Easynews. While I did not rasie the issue, I think other people have a good point. Obviously Comcast had an expense in providing NG, now that they don't it's the same as a price increase. It's not that difficult to figure out.
Again, my initial comment was about Comcast providing _Internet_ access yet, Usenet is a part of the Internet. |
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dadkins
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4 edits | Some POS NG service where you and I get 2GB per month is getting whacked off our HSI subscription.
How useful is that 2GB per month?
*WHO* actually used that item?
At no time was Comcast obligated to offer it to us - but they did... AGAIN at no additional cost!
So, now they decide to kill it.
Since they didn't charge us more when they added it to the HSI service, some people here expect a discount now that they are killing it? WTF?
This makes no sense whatsoever.
ISP and the offering of usenet - my NetZero account is providing _Internet_ access and they don't have newsgroups...
I'm willing to bet, that if you Googled a little, you would find that ISP doesn't automatically mean Newsgroup access.
»www.netzero.net/support/start/bb01.html
"While NetZero does not maintain its own direct newsgroup servers, there are still several ways to access NNTP / Usenet services. Try going to the My NetZero homepage and use the "Search the Web" tools. Search for the words Usenet servers or Free NNTP to find Web-based and traditional Usenet Newsgroup access."
Sorry!
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NormanS
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Are you a former Insight customer? Comcast hasn't raised their Internet rate since they posted a door hanger, 3 1/2 years ago, trying to get our custom (we're still with AT&T DSL). Nearly as I can tell, customers who've been with Comcast for as long as they have offered Internet have not seen price hikes.
OTOH, former ATTBI, Insight, Adelphia, and Road Runner customers, acquired by Comcast over the years, have often grumbled about "price hikes".
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NormanS
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Internet is just a TCP/IP connection to every other provider out there. If you can get to an NNTP server from your Internet connection, you have Internet service. Everything else is content.
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Doctor Olds
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said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. What exact date range was Usenet "added originally" by Comcast? You do know Usenet existed before WWW, right?
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jbob
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Can someone answer this question. How Do/Did the major ISPs offer NNTP service? Do they pay some other provider to access another NNTP provider(like Comcast has done with Giganews) or do the ISPs have to maintain their own NNTP servers/portal or whatever it's called? |
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hep cat
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| jbob some maintain their own others use a provider like Giganews. One of if not the best ISP that ran their own was Mindspring before it was turned into Earthlink. Jan ran a tight ship. Binaries and http were kept out of text only groups. Fake and joke groups were never on the server.
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Rob
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said by Doctor Olds :said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. What exact date range was Usenet "added originally" by Comcast? You do know Usenet existed before WWW, right? You misunderstood. Cabletool was referring to when Comcast originally started offering newsgroup access to their customers either through Comcast's own servers or using giganews. |
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FunnyBones
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Just one day after I was talking about comcrap and newsgroups they kill it.. I am no big fan of it but it was the last place for real freedom to post or say anything you want... I am no big fan of newsgroups and their are others but with the cap it is censorship and total control of your connection but as a former user of comcast and I know you will pay for your shenanigans like the time you were forging packets to interfere with user traffic and more.....
This is a wake up call!
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jbob
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1 edit | reply to Rob
said by Rob :said by Doctor Olds :said by CableTool :When News groups were added originally there was no price increase. So removing it would not merit a price reduction. What exact date range was Usenet "added originally" by Comcast? You do know Usenet existed before WWW, right? You misunderstood. Cabletool was referring to when Comcast originally started offering newsgroup access to their customers either through Comcast's own servers or using giganews. But that's exactly his point. Did Comcast offer NNTP access from the start whether it be from it's own newservers or someone elses? I've had internet access from back to the mid 90's. Every ISP I have ever had offered NNTP as part of the package. When I first got cable with Cox while living in Georgia, a News Service was part of the package. When I moved to Arkansas(late 2003) and started Comcast service, NNTP access was also part of the package offered by Comcast. So for some it really doesn't matter when Comcast first made it available. I signed up with Comcast and it offered News access as part of my sign up. So from that perspective I can see why some might see this a less service. But with the speed increases maybe this balances it out.
I myself am not really complaining however. FWIW 2 GB monthly was alright for my usage. Luckily I still have NNTP access via my backup ISP, AT&T DSL. I never use binaries anyway. |
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