moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Time to regulate junk and scrap yards.
Just like pawn shops, they don't care where the stuff comes from.
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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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| They already do here, they photocopy your licence/ID before you get money for anything.
This largely because the state highway dept. has had over $1million in guardrails, signs, wiring (including some in operation) and light poles stolen is the first six months of this year.
I got carded when I took in 2 old pellet stoves and a dishwasher. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to moonpuppy
They should also have to run video surveillance showing what is being recycled. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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said by tshirt  : I got carded when I took in 2 old pellet stoves and a dishwasher. That's awesome. But not enough. People should have to register with the state to scrap metal via a webpage that links to dmv photos and information. And everything they turn in should be logged to the same online system by the scrap yard. Money should only be paid by a check in the name that matches the online record. The police need to be able to easily check scrap records and if someone is caught scrapping stolen metal, they should be blocked by the system from scrapping metal ever again. It's ridiculous when a whole tower can be cut up and scrapped and no one knows who did it. If weights were logged, it would be possible to see if one person scrapped metal across multiple scrap yards that equaled the weight of the tower or if a hand full of people together scrapped that much metal. Police would actually have a chance to catch these people via a few minutes of querying a database. |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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 ·ViaTalk
| Yeah, if there's one thing to say about the scrap industry it's that they're on the cutting edge of technology. They'll be eager to spend money on this type of system to do law enforcement's job for them. |
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meister_sd
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join:2006-01-29
La Mesa, CA | reply to insomniac84
Need the first born too? |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to moonpuppy
and some sure you want your tax dollars spent for this, because we surely know the yards wont fund it.
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I have a small business and get TONS of unfunded mandates from local, State and Federal gov't. |
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shdesigns
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join:2000-12-01
Stone Mountain, GA
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said by moonpuppy :Just like pawn shops, they don't care where the stuff comes from. That is not what I have seen. They require an ID so they know who is bringing the stuff in.
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Corehhi
join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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said by Dogfather :They should also have to run video surveillance showing what is being recycled. We had some idiots steal a brand new set of bleachers. Alumium ones. The scrap place called the police and they are in jail now but how do they think they will get away with that? Also scrap prices aren't that high. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd :and some sure you want your tax dollars spent for this, because we surely know the yards wont fund it. No, the yards will pay for it. Call it the price of doing business. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
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said by shdesigns :said by moonpuppy :Just like pawn shops, they don't care where the stuff comes from. That is not what I have seen. They require an ID so they know who is bringing the stuff in. That's what they say but I can tell you, they are less stringent on IDs then a bouncer at a bar. They busted a pawn shop around here for multiple violations and found a ton of stolen goods and a bunch of handguns taken in and NOT reported. Each handgun must be reported to see if they are stolen or not. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Corehhi
A friend of mine said someone stole the marquee sign in front of his housing tract. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to insomniac84
said by insomniac84 :
That's awesome. But not enough. People should have to register with the state to scrap metal via a webpage that links to dmv photos and information. And everything they turn in should be logged to the same online system by the scrap yard. Money should only be paid by a ....
You want some DNA with that too???!??
While the situation cuts close to home and gets my panties in a bunch I think your approach is a little over the top.
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
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Copper used to go for $1 a pound. It's over $3.50 a pound now. That's a 350% increase in price and 50lbs of copper is going to net you $175 bucks. That's enough for probably about 15 crack rocks. Where at the $1 price the same 50lbs would have got them $50. If you are desperate for $100 stealing scrap and selling it is a quick buck. Even steel and Iron now have values that make their theft meaningfull to someone that needs a few dollars to get high. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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said by rec9140 :You want some DNA with that too???!?? While the situation cuts close to home and gets my panties in a bunch I think your approach is a little over the top. How so? A web site. A web site where I sign up on if I want to sell scrap. It takes maybe 5 minutes of my time and I can sign up 24/7. I go to the scrap yard. Give them metal. They weight it and tell me how much it is worth. I accept deal. They need state id and the id number from the site I registered on. They are already logged into the site on their own computer (which requires at most a 10 year old pc with internet access) and enters in the registration number which returns my photo and official name. They check photo and name with state id and my own face and enter the dln which validates against the record to validate that the correct non fake physical id was looked at. They click a button that says log a new transaction. They fill in a short description of metal, the type, the weight, and what I am being paid. Click ok. Then they write out a check to the name the web page gave them and hand it over.
It would actually be quicker than filling out a paper log book by hand, known criminals can be barred from the service, and the police can figure out who stole all the wiring from a building very easily. In addition you can pass a law that says if a scrap yard knowingly fakes this validation or doesn't validate a transaction they get shut down. Very unobtrusive and it could do a lot to keep the industry honest. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| said by insomniac84 :
How so? A web site.
Too much Nannyment for my tastes. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
1 edit | said by rec9140 : said by insomniac84 :
How so? A web site.
Too much Nannyment for my tastes. Why? This is information scrap yards should be already required to log. Otherwise police would have zero chance of even investigating metal theft. This just moves it to a simple website that makes it easy to determine theft and ban people who have been caught with theft from scrapping metal.
Scrap yards have no right to run a business that allows them to profit heavily off of theft. If states implemented such a simple tracking system people wouldn't have to worry about their catalytic converters or their giant towers disappearing.
The only way I could see someone being against this is if they run a scrap yard and regularly pay minimum dollar for metal they know is stolen. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| are you going to build, host, maintain and everything else for this website?
And what happens when you have someone sitting there during the day bored and then randomly put puts numbers into that system? Are you going to be one who whines and cries that not enough protection was there?
Of course you would be
I call bullshit on what you want done.
If you don't like the way the business is done tough shit. States have bigger problems to worry about than paying for a new database- let alone making sure scrap yards comply with the law. |
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scrappppit
@mi.us | reply to rahvin112
I thought China had their fill of US scrap metal already?
Prices will drop until they need more and the prices will go back up. |
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