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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Geez.... Rent a dry loop from the phone company between your location and a location further down the telephone trunk line road going towards the CO, then run a DSL bridge over it. The loop should only be a couple 1000 feet. | |
|  splat1622
join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... i wonder how much that will cost the co i use is 5 miles from me,and IM right at the county line with that co 3 1/2 miles from me in which stops 1700 feet from me.will they let me use the one in another county or will i have to use my co | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Geez.... It proably won't work in your area, since your trying to link with someone in a different central office and is served by a different trunk line. Officially in such a case, if you request a dry loop between 2 locations in different central offices, you will be hit with insane charges ($25 loop to your central office-$x per mile intra office line-$25 loop from foreign central office to the other location). And thats assuming copper plant still exists between central offices. DSL will run over a 10 or 20 miles loop on a cold day in hell. Assuming a copper inter-office link is possible, the telco will push/strongly encourage you to have loading coils and voice conditioning done to the loop so you "voice" line works correctly. If no copper exists between COs, the telco may offer a fiber-optic link between central offices, which digitalizes your dry loop into 64kbitps (like any normal analog line) and sends it over to the other CO, DSL obviously isnt possible. The fiber optic interoffice link is billed at the same per mile charge as copper would be.
If you want to get a dry loop to run DSL over, under no circumstance can you run it through the CO. Line is too long. The idea would be to run it to someone downstream or upstream on the same trunk line as you. That can generate 1000-9000 foot loops which is the limit for DIY DSL. Your better off trying to get to someone with cable rather than DSL. Get an additional cable modem for that location, on a separate account (try "Apt 1" or a separate name) and separate billing address and dont send the bill to the service address. No problems with late bill paying/splitting the bill.
To run a dry loop inter CO like you want, I doubt its possible legally or physically to run a loop like that (inter-CO without going through COs). Legal BS might be stuff like a separate bell operating company / franchise / permit / LLC / LATA/etc. Physical problems can be no place where your trunk line going upstream is 0, 1 or 2 poles away from a trunk line going to the other C0. If your upstream trunk line doesn't magically/seamlessly turn into a downstream trunk line further down the road towards the other CO, you will get hit with $1000s in engineering charges (labor starts at $63 an hour per worker for Verizon here, just get a T1, it will be cheaper) since no physical connection exists, and many many new lines will have to be run along poles to create a path to the other trunk line, which probably means your loop is too long now and no DSL. This is assuming they won't tell you to screw yourself and get a house to CO, CO to CO, CO to house set up, which they can.
Cost wise, intra-office dry loops run under $100 per month per pair usually, so they are very affordable.
Remember the idea behind DIY DSL, is to create a DIY DSL link over a short dry copper loop that doesn't go through a CO to a location that has internet. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Re: Geez.... Couldn't someone just get isdn and call it a day? 128k and lower latency is surely better than dial-up. | |
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | Re: Geez.... Most of the time it is very expensive - over $70/month and may times over $100. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Re: Geez.... That's still cheaper than doing crazing things like running a straight pair to another house up the road, getting cable internet there, and sending it to yourself over a private dsl link. At the very least you would have low latency and twice the speed or more of dial-up. | |
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