S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Geez.... Is anybody left on the old dial up besides AOL customers? | |
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 dibbb
join:2003-09-19 | Re: Geez.... My 10Mbps ADSL line is actually really great.
But if people want to get off it and move to cable, that's just more bandwidth for me!
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splat1622
join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
| yes lot of people.dsl stops 1700 feet from me,and IM about 3 1/2 miles from the co,and cable is 1 1/2 miles from me on the same road.to stop all the stupid comments such as just move or you decided to move there.I moved here in 1988 when there was no internet or cell phones,and this property has been in the family for many years,and was about to be lost when we moved here and took over payments,and even in 2008 we still have no cable,dsl,and no cell service | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| Re: Geez.... said by splat1622  :yes lot of people.dsl stops 1700 feet from me,and IM about 3 1/2 miles from the co,and cable is 1 1/2 miles from me on the same road.to stop all the stupid comments such as just move or you decided to move there.I moved here in 1988 when there was no internet or cell phones,and this property has been in the family for many years,and was about to be lost when we moved here and took over payments,and even in 2008 we still have no cable,dsl,and no cell service Welcome to DSLReports!
Well, then there ya go friend.
No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?).
Sorry for the dilemma, but other than paying for the extension yourself(thousands of dollars I imagine), I doubt that the ISPs will do it. 
As I stated last time... I have relatives that can't get anything better than 24kbps dialup.
Sat is not an option for them - LOS is blocked and the price is a hell of a deterrent even if it was doable.
So, with them as is with you - at this point in time, the only options are pay for it to be extended or... move. Right? 
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... and like i told you you cant move if you cant sell your house can you.its been for sale for 2 years.would you buy a home that you couldnt get cable,internet,and cell service didnt think so | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Geez.... Look friend, I am sorry they will not service you where you live.
Question for you... do you actually think posting here is going to get AT&T or whomever to connect you any faster or at all?
I'm sorry splat, but it isn't helping anyone to be here condemning AT&T for not extending their lines and adding a RT just for you.
How about you call them and offer to pay for the new RT that they seem to think isn't worth it?
Fine!
You live there for whatever reason and have no intention of moving. Cool!
Well guess what, ya might be in for a wait - possibly indefinitely to get DSL.
This is all I am trying to get across to you.
Reality bites sometimes. 
Sorry!
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
| Re: Geez.... said by dadkins :Look friend, I am sorry they will not service you where you live. Question for you... do you actually think posting here is going to get AT&T or whomever to connect you any faster or at all? now why would i think posting in here would help me get dsl any quicker.I as a American have the right of freedom of speech to use however i want to if you don't like my post then oh well DONT reply to them I'm sorry splat, but it isn't helping anyone to be here condemning AT&T for not extending their lines and adding a RT just for you. I tired of replying to your selective reading IM not the only one that lives on this road,and i can say whatever i want to about at&t dsl and cable is all the way around me,and have been told to wait they will get it to me How about you call them and offer to pay for the new RT that they seem to think isn't worth it? I have called at&t,and they wont even let me talk to anyone that knows what they are talking about to tell me a def. date.I did ask if i could pay for equipment they said that i couldn't do that they didn't let anyone do that.I did talk to charter and they want 10,000 to extend to me they said that they were not adding new customers anywhere they didn't already have lines up Fine! You live there for whatever reason and have no intention of moving. Cool! Well guess what, ya might be in for a wait - possibly indefinitely to get DSL. This is all I am trying to get across to you. Reality bites sometimes. Sorry! where did you get that i had no intention of moving it certainly wasn't from me.I have been trying to move for two years(if you would read ALL of my post you would know that.you cant sell a house that doesn't have internet,cable,and barley cell service, you would not buy a house like that would you. I asked that nobody post stupid quotes like move,or you chose to live where you live so deal with it.I deserve decent internet just like anyone else,and should not be treated like trash just because of where i live.you don't know my situation IM prob. just as urban as you.IM at the bottom end of my county, right at the county line(the ass end)where we get forgot about | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Geez.... Not until today have you ever said shit about trying to sell your house.
When this house, MY house, was purchased, it had nothing.
Not even phone!
But, since it was well within the city limits, getting phone(and all other services) was relatively easy.
Location Location Location.
As for why your house won't sell, what's the asking price?
Is it actually worth what you are asking?
Where is it listed?
Got Link?
Show me!
Look pal, it's not my fault that you are "unaware" of the realities of living out away from city luxuries.
Broadband *IS* a luxury BTW.
If the house is not within a certain distance... and it is going to be the only residence utilizing the connection, that makes it unprofitable for the service provider.
Not my fault!
I am just trying to explain to you the options you currently have. Which aint alot!
Further down this very page, you post EXACTLY what I have suggested - YOU pay for the cable to be extended to the house.
Deja vu, huh?
Hook me up with the listing for your house...
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
| Re: Geez.... you must not have went back to the »Verizon, AT&T Offer New DSL Promotions forum where i was posting as disapointed in my last post i talked about my house being up for sale check them out,and i have reduced the listing price as far as IM going to,and why do you want a link to my house its none of your business,nor is how much i want for it
»Comcast: a Naked AT&T Is No Threat
Whether you can get "naked DSL" from AT&T varies from market to market. The company plans to offer $20 768kbps naked service across its entire footprint before the end of the year to comply with BellSouth merger conditions. BellSouth users say anyone can get naked DSL in BellSouth territory if you call up and ask for "bundle 97."
as i said before do a little research first before you talk out your ass dsl will not be a luxury much longer they have to provide dsl to all customers | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
| Well, then there ya go friend.
No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?).
they are going to have to add their whole footprint if they want to stay in business,because they cant compete with cable with speed now can they.plus they promised the fcc that they would have dsl for entire footprint by 2008.well we will see.i have been told by at&t that they will have dsl to me ,but cant tell definite date so you can kept your little piss poor attitude to yourself,and do a little research on stuff before you post useless knowledge | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Geez.... said by splat1622 :Well, then there ya go friend. No amount of posting here will change the fact that the service providers - DSL or cable - do not see you as profitable enough to extend their lines to provide you with something better than what you currently have(Sat, right?). they are going to have to add their whole footprint if they want to stay in business,because they cant compete with cable with speed now can they.plus they promised the fcc that they would have dsl for entire footprint by 2008.well we will see.i have been told by at&t that they will have dsl to me ,but cant tell definite date so you can kept your little piss poor attitude to yourself,and do a little research on stuff before you post useless knowledge Not a piss poor attitude, common sense.
Tell ya what, you keep right on posting you rants here.
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DavePR
join:2008-06-04 | Make friends with the last house on broadband and build a WiFi link for the last 1,700'. | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... yea i have thought about that,but not the friendliest people they would never let me do it | |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Geez.... even if you tell them you'll pay for their internet connection? | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... i tried they said no,and gave me a dirty look so i said forget it i will just wait or move whichever comes first | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Geez.... Rent a dry loop from the phone company between your location and a location further down the telephone trunk line road going towards the CO, then run a DSL bridge over it. The loop should only be a couple 1000 feet. | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... i wonder how much that will cost the co i use is 5 miles from me,and IM right at the county line with that co 3 1/2 miles from me in which stops 1700 feet from me.will they let me use the one in another county or will i have to use my co | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Geez.... It proably won't work in your area, since your trying to link with someone in a different central office and is served by a different trunk line. Officially in such a case, if you request a dry loop between 2 locations in different central offices, you will be hit with insane charges ($25 loop to your central office-$x per mile intra office line-$25 loop from foreign central office to the other location). And thats assuming copper plant still exists between central offices. DSL will run over a 10 or 20 miles loop on a cold day in hell. Assuming a copper inter-office link is possible, the telco will push/strongly encourage you to have loading coils and voice conditioning done to the loop so you "voice" line works correctly. If no copper exists between COs, the telco may offer a fiber-optic link between central offices, which digitalizes your dry loop into 64kbitps (like any normal analog line) and sends it over to the other CO, DSL obviously isnt possible. The fiber optic interoffice link is billed at the same per mile charge as copper would be.
If you want to get a dry loop to run DSL over, under no circumstance can you run it through the CO. Line is too long. The idea would be to run it to someone downstream or upstream on the same trunk line as you. That can generate 1000-9000 foot loops which is the limit for DIY DSL. Your better off trying to get to someone with cable rather than DSL. Get an additional cable modem for that location, on a separate account (try "Apt 1" or a separate name) and separate billing address and dont send the bill to the service address. No problems with late bill paying/splitting the bill.
To run a dry loop inter CO like you want, I doubt its possible legally or physically to run a loop like that (inter-CO without going through COs). Legal BS might be stuff like a separate bell operating company / franchise / permit / LLC / LATA/etc. Physical problems can be no place where your trunk line going upstream is 0, 1 or 2 poles away from a trunk line going to the other C0. If your upstream trunk line doesn't magically/seamlessly turn into a downstream trunk line further down the road towards the other CO, you will get hit with $1000s in engineering charges (labor starts at $63 an hour per worker for Verizon here, just get a T1, it will be cheaper) since no physical connection exists, and many many new lines will have to be run along poles to create a path to the other trunk line, which probably means your loop is too long now and no DSL. This is assuming they won't tell you to screw yourself and get a house to CO, CO to CO, CO to house set up, which they can.
Cost wise, intra-office dry loops run under $100 per month per pair usually, so they are very affordable.
Remember the idea behind DIY DSL, is to create a DIY DSL link over a short dry copper loop that doesn't go through a CO to a location that has internet. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Re: Geez.... Couldn't someone just get isdn and call it a day? 128k and lower latency is surely better than dial-up. | |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | Re: Geez.... Most of the time it is very expensive - over $70/month and may times over $100. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Re: Geez.... That's still cheaper than doing crazing things like running a straight pair to another house up the road, getting cable internet there, and sending it to yourself over a private dsl link. At the very least you would have low latency and twice the speed or more of dial-up. | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
·Bresnan Online
1 edit | What I'd suggest?
Getting a pair of WRT54G's (or GS's), re-flash them with DD-WRT, and build a cheap bridge between a friends' house and yours. Oh, and a pair of Cantennas or some sort of directional antenna for each router.
..of course, with the right directional antennas, you can go a few miles. | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... thanks something to think about,but i will wait to the first of the year and see what at&t does | |
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@winfieldwireless.com | Have you done that as of yet? | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
1 edit | Re: Geez.... have i done what yet | |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | Re: Geez.... BJA was asking 'Simba7' the question ("reply to Simba7") | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | I've done that a couple times, I actually got a decent link using a pair of old modified DirecTV dishes over a few miles. If I tweaked it up a little more, I've heard that you can get 5+ miles out of them. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| Re: Geez.... said by DrModem :said by S_engineer :Is anybody left on the old dial up besides AOL customers? 26k here. Being in nowhere sucks. Being in nowhere actually sounds good to me right now, the city is literally killing me! | |
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | Re: Geez.... yea it will especially if you have neighbors like dadkins | |
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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
clubs: 
| Re: Geez.... Which usually involes finding an ISP that will allow it and paying for two phone lines (3 if you want one to always be available for calls).
At that rate it'd probably be cheaper and in better speeds to jump on the wireless broadband bandwagon. I'd assume any of these places that people can't get squat are at least served by 1xRTT or EDGE which is on par or better than dialup.
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join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA
2 edits | Re: Geez.... but verizon has a 5 gb download cap for 99.00 a month,and if you go over they charge you per mb that's the main reason i have not switched to it plus i only get 1 bar i would need a antenna.its not that great of a deal really sux
»b2b.vzw.com/productsservices/wir···nternet/ | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
 ·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by morbo :have you thought about the dual-modems? supposedly it takes your two phone lines and automagically combines it so you have about double the speed of one modem. i don't have any experience with this, but i always wondered what i would do if i was in your situation. Shotgun modems require two phone lines, and a double-dialup account (if anyone still sells them). If the OP ordered a second phone line, Verizon would install it on a DAML (line splitter), and the effective potential throughput of the line would be halved ... at four times the price!
The best options for this guy are IDSL (doubtful), moving (why not?), EVDO, or as another poster suggested, making friends with someone at the end of the broadband chain and installing a WiFi link. 1700' is very, very achievable. | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | Re: Geez.... halved at four times the price? where can i sign up???
thanks for the info though. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | We still add dial up customers. Maybe 1 a week but they still call up and ask for it. It's no longer supported beyond giving the customer a username/password/phone number. | |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
1 edit | My father is - no other real choices and he has never had AOL. | |
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