Bellox
@cia.com
| US/American IPs on Teksavvy. Possible?
I'm wondering if Teksavvy has any plans to offer US-addressed IPs for their home DSL service, so that geo-IP services would think that I am in the USA.
It would have a lot lower latency than going through a VPS based VPN, and use a lot less of my server's bandwidth.
Any thoughts? Too cost prohibitive to do so? Illegal? Immoral? |
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Paulius
join:2008-01-21
Lasalle, QC
| To have american IPs, they'd have to have routers in the States, and a backhaul to there. Bell can't do a backhaul to the States, and redirecting traffic would induce just as much latency as your VPN.
All in all, it's something that's not viable, doesn't really have any advantages and most people don't need it. If all that you're looking to do is to use Hulu and other US-only sites, a simple web proxy works and can perform faster than a VPN. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
 ·Colbanet
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Bellox
Deals can be had. BigVPS will sell you a XEN-based VPS (as in, real virtualization, not fake virtuozzo crap) with 256MB of RAM and 250GB in/250GB out for $13 per month.
That's a pretty modest VPS, but more than powerful enough for routing your traffic through, if that's all that you want to do. I've got the $23/mth one (512MB package), have had it for four or five months. I'm pretty darned happy with it.
Admittedly, since they're in Florida, you're going to add 30-40ms to your latency (possibly less if you're going to a host that was in the US anyhow). However, since it's actually in the US rather than pretending to be, you're getting the real deal.
The prices I've quoted are with a special offer from WHT. PM me if you want more info. |
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the cerberus
join:2007-10-16
Richmond Hill, ON | reply to Bellox
»hotspotshield.com/ |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Bellox
It would be possible to do. But probably extra cost.
Teksavvy would have to setup some USA based subsidiary that would obtain an IP block from ARIN, have it listed with a USA address and obtain an AS number assigned to that USA subsidiary.
Then, they would nedd to have an extra name registered with Bell for logins. So yo would login with name@teksavvyusa.com for instance, and it would then give you an IP that is part of its USA subsidiary block. The toronto routers would advertise routes for both the canadian and USA IP blocks.
Similarly, Teksavvy could form TeksavvyUK and allow us to login and get a UK based Ip address so we could watch BBC content 
Or... you could vote George W Harper and all our IPs would become american IPs because we would be in the USA. |
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jat
join:2008-04-28
Burlington, ON
| reply to Bellox
I don't really think this is possible, as there's really no such thing as an "American IP." It's all about what the geolocation services say, and they can use any number of techniques to determine what country the IP "belongs" to.
The most basic way of determining country is to look at where the ISP owning the IP is located. jfmezei's solution would work around that. But setting up a US subsidiary would probably be a big headache for TekSavvy.
However, the geolocation services obviously use other techniques as well. For example, GeoIP guesses (correctly) that my IP is from Burlington, Ontario, Canada, despite the fact that TekSavvy doesn't advertise that anywhere. So how do they know? Well, GeoIP's FAQ claims that they have affiliates that send them an IP address and geographic location of users who sign up for their websites. So even if the IP belongs to a US company, as soon as you sign up for a website affiliated with GeoIP with your home address, your IP will be labeled as Canadian again. Incidentally, IP addresses neighbouring mine (which I don't own) also show up as being from Burlington, probably because they label the whole block based on the information I submitted to some unknown website. So even if you're very careful never to submit your address on the web, if someone on a nearby IP does, your whole block could suddenly become "Canadian."
Really, your best bet is to just tunnel through an American VPS. Then the owner of the IP, the hardware, and even most of the users, are all going to be American, and the IP will likely be classified as such. But then again, I've heard of many cases of Americans on US ISPs being unable to access US services. Same goes for Canadians unable to access Canadian content, and Brits unable to access British content, etc. So you'll always be at the mercy of the geolocation services, no matter what you do. |
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infamouskid
join:2007-01-24
North York, ON | reply to Bellox
hotspot shield
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baymo
join:2007-04-04 | reply to Bellox
hotspot shield |
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Bellox
@cia.com
| reply to jat
said by jat  :However, the geolocation services obviously use other techniques as well. For example, GeoIP guesses (correctly) that my IP is from Burlington, Ontario, Canada, despite the fact that TekSavvy doesn't advertise that anywhere. So how do they know? Well, GeoIP's FAQ claims that they have affiliates that send them an IP address and geographic location of users who sign up for their websites. So even if the IP belongs to a US company, as soon as you sign up for a website affiliated with GeoIP with your home address, your IP will be labeled as Canadian again. Well, in that case, they probably think there's a lot of Canadians that live in 90210. But interesting, I didn't think Geo-IP services went that far into things. |
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realitybytes
join:2002-07-15
Canada
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Bellox
Funny thing is I was just on hulu and was watching the pre-air of Chuck. I don't know why I can use hulu, as I'm with teksavvy and when I'm on the Web, I get the stupid adult friend finder ads, that say hot girl in toronto, etc. So the advertisers seem to be able to geo-locate my IP. Funny thing is I'm In Calgary Alberta, and geo IP says I'm in Toronto. The deal is I use Hulu with no proxies, or such. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Hmm... going to go on a hunch here but I don't think it has anything to do with your internet connection. This is generally a cookies thing.
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TSI Steve
TSI Steve
Premium,VIP
join:2007-01-12
Chatham, ON
| reply to Bellox
said by Bellox :
I'm wondering if Teksavvy has any plans to offer US-addressed IPs for their home DSL service, so that geo-IP services would think that I am in the USA.
It would have a lot lower latency than going through a VPS based VPN, and use a lot less of my server's bandwidth.
Any thoughts? Too cost prohibitive to do so? Illegal? Immoral?
Hello,
Geo-IP works by basically doing a whois on your netblock.
We could forge the records we supplied to ARIN however, I believe that they would not like that at all
The only legitimate way for us to do it, would be to have a business and some equipment in the US with a netblock assigned to it. Then we could properly/legitimately inform ARIN of our address. Then clients could proxy through that device. Alternatively I guess we could route the IPs back to Canada and assign them directly to a client ... however that may not be a legitimate use of the IPs.
Technically, many things are plausible. The problem is the red tape / terms and conditions that get in the way
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TSI Steve - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to Bellox
Get a cheap VPS server in the US ($7-13 per month is sufficient) and route traffic through it (Squid for web). That will work fine and perform pretty decently, albeit with added latency. |
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