delta7000
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join:2003-10-13
Buffalo, NY | 1080P
Verizon had a sign-up tent at the apartment complex where I live. Amherst (Buffalo), New York. FiOS TV is now available. The sales person claimed that Verizon HD is 1080P while Time Warner is 1080I. Is that accurate? |
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anon101010
@verizon.net | Verizon is going to have 1080p for VOD in the comming months |
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VZ FiOS
@myvzw.com | reply to delta7000
No. What the sales person might have been referring to is that Verizon's HD is not further compressed like cable companies do to the HD streams. |
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webin
join:2008-07-09
Hillsboro, OR | reply to delta7000
Don't listen to any of their marketing pitches.... just sign up and thank your lucky stars.
Was that too harsh on TWC? |
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keyboards
join:2001-02-14
Doylestown, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
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said by anon101010 :
Verizon is going to have 1080p for VOD in the comming months
How can they when the STB only supports 1080i????? I declare shennanigans!
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flashcore
join:2007-01-23
Lutherville Timonium, MD | I believe the new STB's support 1080p but the older ones that most of us have do not. |
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keyboards
join:2001-02-14
Doylestown, PA
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
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September 5th, @07:01PM
| said by flashcore  :I believe the new STB's support 1080p but the older ones that most of us have do not. That would be news. I don't recall seeing that before, but maybe ...
EDIT Checked the manual at VZ online (»onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/···uide.pdf) and according to page 10 the highest resolution listed is 1080i. Went to Moto site and they don't list the resolution capability only "Full range of industry-standard video, audio, and data outputs (see specifications)", however there is no link to the specs. So, it is still up to debate as to whether or no the 7216 supports 1080p.
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joe01880
join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
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September 9th, @01:45PM
| said by keyboards :said by flashcore :I believe the new STB's support 1080p but the older ones that most of us have do not. That would be news. I don't recall seeing that before, but maybe ... EDIT Checked the manual at VZ online (» onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/···uide.pdf) and according to page 10 the highest resolution listed is 1080i. Went to Moto site and they don't list the resolution capability only "Full range of industry-standard video, audio, and data outputs (see specifications)", however there is no link to the specs. So, it is still up to debate as to whether or no the 7216 supports 1080p. From what i can see there is no debate. The owners manual of the 7200 series;
»onlinehelp.verizon.net/consumer/···uide.pdf
shows the resolution at 1080i. |
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marathonmike
Beer. You can only rent it
join:2001-12-12
Princeton, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to delta7000
Can anyone tell me for certain if 1080p source is better than 1080i? I understand that for a TV 1080p means that the screen actually displays at full resolution, but for the STB, 1080i sends just as many lines and pixels per second as 1080p. 1080i sends them as odd/even interlaced frames (a hold over from when the first HD tvs were display tubes not LCD.) 1080p eliminates the interlacing, but a 1080p TV can sort it all out and display exactly the same thing.
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joe01880
join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by marathonmike :Can anyone tell me for certain if 1080p source is better than 1080i? The question you ask has been widely debated on internet forums. It is a complicated topic. Below you find a link to a website, an article actually that explains 1080i, 1080p the difference between them and how they relate to what you see. Its a good read, enjoy!
»www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_1···t-1.html |
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marathonmike
Beer. You can only rent it
join:2001-12-12
Princeton, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
| I read the article and I conclude that the source (STB) is the same quality for 1080i or 1080p. What DOES matter is the TV display. A 1080p display is better than 1080i.
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joe01880
join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by marathonmike :I read the article and I conclude that the source (STB) is the same quality for 1080i or 1080p. What DOES matter is the TV display. A 1080p display is better than 1080i. You are correct in part. The distance you sit from your display play a huge part in being able to tell any difference in 1080i from 1080p. |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA | reply to delta7000
Be aware that the BROADCAST standard for HDTV is either 720P or 1080i, not 1080p. |
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marathonmike
Beer. You can only rent it
join:2001-12-12
Princeton, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
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September 6th, @11:36PM
| said by PJL :Be aware that the BROADCAST standard for HDTV is either 720P or 1080i, not 1080p. I repeat; the source of 1080i or 1080p has no effect on the quality. It is only a spec on the format of the frame coming into the tv. Once the tv has the frame, it can display as 1080p or 720p or whatever the tv is capable of displaying. I see no incentive for broadcasters to change to 1080p. (Maybe marketing can scare up an opportunity to differentiate some cable provider. i.e. We have the best quality transmitting in full 1080p format  )
If you buy a TV spec'd as 1080p, this assures you of the full image quality. If the tv is spec'd as 1080i, it probably does not display a full 1920 by 1080 image. It will reduce the image to whatever it has for the resolution of its LCD.
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eric87m
join:2003-12-07
Princeton, NJ | reply to delta7000
Guess what, 1080i = 1080p when your TV deinterlaces it. Broadcast HDTV doesn't have enough bitrate to show the difference anyway. You already lose a lot detail/sharpness with all the macroblocking going on. |
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anon101010
@verizon.net | reply to keyboards
You heard it here first |
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lets456
join:2008-01-21
Hainesport, NJ
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said by eric87m :Guess what, 1080i = 1080p when your TV deinterlaces it. Broadcast HDTV doesn't have enough bitrate to show the difference anyway. You already lose a lot detail/sharpness with all the macroblocking going on. Correct...it's all 1920x1080 just a scan rate difference and most Tv's do an awesome job reproducing this.
However, I think (in the near future) 1080P (24Hz) on demand movies will happen by late next summer, especially with the new boxes coming out. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think E* is doing some 1080P VOD movies? |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | So is DirecTV and I think Time Warner is supposed to be doing it too sometime soon |
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Merru
join:2008-09-02
Yonkers, NY | reply to delta7000
I have dishnetwork Right now. They are saying they are broadcasting true blue ray quality 1080p. I think we will get about 150 hd channels soon. Where in fios in new york its latter but i dont know the date. |
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marathonmike
Beer. You can only rent it
join:2001-12-12
Princeton, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to lets456
said by lets456 :Correct...it's all 1920x1080 just a scan rate difference and most Tv's do an awesome job reproducing this. However, I think (in the near future) 1080P (24Hz) on demand movies will happen by late next summer, especially with the new boxes coming out. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think E* is doing some 1080P VOD movies? I'm still not sure we are all saying the same thing. If a movie is 1080p/24 and it is sent by verizon as 1080i/60, I claim that NO quality is lost and a 1080p TV (or a 1080i TV with 1920X1080 resolution) can reproduce the image at it's full quality.
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