said by Dogfather :

*object*

If we want to promote 'equality' then being gay or lesbian shouldn't be about being separate or in another class.

We wouldn't have a "black" forum or "tall people" forum...I think it's bad enough that we have separate rant filled red and blue forums. Gays and lesbians are people just like everyone else and should slum it in the existing forums with us fine breeders. Being gay isn't an interest. Being a lesbian isn't a hobby. These aren't a choice. It is what it is just like being white is what it is and being tall is what it is.

As far as talking about things only gays or lesbians are interested in I'm not sure what you're talking about. Gays and lesbians have the same interests as everyone else thus should hang in the same forums as everyone else.

Nothing promotes equality and sameness and makes these non-choice differences between us more irrelevant than being together and working together all the time. When we divide ourselves up by these 'classifications', it promotes the opposite.

Forums should be about hobbies and interests, not what color we are or sexual orientation we happen to be.

said by Mats :

You will have no choice. In fact you, and only you, will have to PAY for any new forum that is ever created here..

said by acid343211 :

Will you pay for this new forum don't expect me to. :uhh: :uhh:

said by Johnny :

If they request it, sure.

As I said, there is no logical reason to object to the creation of a new forum. It affects no one negatively.

said by Johnny :

Now see, that shows that you don't get it.

It is not for every discernible group - it is for a specific minority who has a proven record of being harassed, called names, insulted, injured, and killed.

said by fatness :

Well regardless of whether such a forum gets created or not, I think the whole "might cause the site to be blocked" issue is a red herring.

said by Every One :

If your work blocked a broadband forum that had a gay forum (out of the many hundreds) that would probably be considered discrimination, and they could face a class-action.

said by alphapointe :

No, no, no, no, no, no, and HELL NO!

Being a "right-wing Christian nut" aside, look at how many "Your Moderator At Work" messages have been seen in this thread alone. I'd feel sorry for the mods of such a forum.

As has been said before, there are other places to go for this kind of thing, and I'd rather not have DSLR be one of them.

Ditto on the work filter issues. I work nights and don't know what I'd do if DSLR started getting blocked for stuff like this.

*OBJECT*

said by alphapointe :

No, no, no, no, no, no, and HELL NO!

Being a "right-wing Christian nut" aside, look at how many "Your Moderator At Work" messages have been seen in this thread alone. I'd feel sorry for the mods of such a forum.

As has been said before, there are other places to go for this kind of thing, and I'd rather not have DSLR be one of them.

Ditto on the work filter issues. I work nights and don't know what I'd do if DSLR started getting blocked for stuff like this.

*OBJECT*

said by MPScan :


1. Blue and Red rooms... Pub and Cooler... Health & Fitness... These are but a few of the forums where people who enjoy the site can also find places to chat with other like minded people. The precedent has been set. Nobody can argue that. The issue is how far can we take it...?

Main Argument
2. The idea of this forum isn't to separate people like us, rather it's to have a place to talk about things only we're interested in talking about.

3. You wouldn't talk about setting up a DSL connection in the Digital Imaging forum, right? Likewise, I don't want to talk about the upcoming gay rights support league meeting in the Sprint Mobile Broadband forum...

4. I'm not asking if you agree with me, rather, I'm asking if you agree with the principle of creating a forum that would allow like minded people a place to gather and talk about issues that generally wouldn't fit into another forum.

said by Pentaxian :

Let me guess, and you'll all want to make this a 'members only' forum to keep out the bashing from gay-haters? Freedom of Speech is a real b*tch ain't it?

said by La Luna :

There is no legitimate reason for one group of people to have their own forum.

said by Johnny :

And get flamed/harassed out of existence, as indicated by the poster who had a problem with his wireless. That's the whole purpose of the request.
What people wrote was the usual extreme right-wing mantra about "special rights", which is bullshit.

said by RR Conductor :

They're great people boogeyman, no doubt, they are people just like you and I, I have a few gay and lesbian friends, but I don't accept what they do as normal or moral and I never will, and I don't ask them to accept the way I live or what I do. My first and favorite professor in college was gay, I say was because he died a few years ago of AIDS, he wasn't even 30 :( I don't hate anyone, and you can disagree with how they live and still love them, parents do it all the time :)

I'm still against a new forum though, I don't think it's a good idea, just look at the Blue and Red Room's. However, I think it should be left up to the majority and if they want it, so be it.

said by Mats :

Adults shouldnt sit around with teenagers and give them alcohol.

Adults shouldnt tell teenagers that they are attractive.

Your scenario that you told is wrong and creepy. It has nothing to do with gays.

said by La Luna :

[The topic/s can be handled in any number of forums already here, just like any other topic.

Try reading what people actually wrote. Maybe it's *you* who doesn't understand.

said by Johnny :

It may have been "stated many times" by people who don't understand. It's also been stated many times that the requested forum isn't about health and isn't about fitness and that being gay is not a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something that one chooses.

Try reading the thread.

said by Pentangle :

*object*

As has already been stated many times, topics and issues related to the Gay/Lesbian lifestyle can be handled in the Health, Fitness and Life forum.

said by Weirdal :

You act like it's being given a lot of thought. Everyone knows this forum will never be created.

said by Spensergig :

I don't have a dog in this race.
(Actually, I just don't give a rat's *$$ which way it goes.)

There've been almost 500 responses now.
Maybe it's time to let this cool, and allow the moderators and/or administrators to discuss it among themselves.

said by Spensergig :

Maybe it's time to let this cool, and allow the moderators and/or administrators to discuss it among themselves.

said by hopeflicker :

That's not the appropriate place for gay discussion.

said by Fox McCloud :

such topics would fit in the Red/Blue room anyway.

said by Johnny :

Well of course it's open to everyone. How are they going to tell who's gay?

said by Johnny :

Just by the incidence of gay individuals in the population, there should be at least 3% of the registered members who are gay.

said by RR Conductor :

Man, is this thread still going? I though the feeling was overwhelming on a "No" on this one. It seems to have turned more into "if you disagree with gays, you're terrible" rant.

said by rockotman :

It's what us interweb dweebs do best... ;)

said by rockotman :

I objected earlier on the grounds that I don't want DSLR blocked on our work servers. If ya'll are sure that wouldn't/couldn't happen, then I will withdraw my objection.

said by Unit649 :

Is this a technology forum related to internet and broadband, or everything under the sun?

Just wondering, really.

said by Johnny :

If it "causes problems", that's not the fault of the gay people. Deal with those who are causing the problems, namely those who can't seem to resist posting nasty, mean, disruptive, and ignorant statements.

said by cerotres :

A question just occurred to me about the proposed forum. Would gay people be the only people allowed to post in the forum, or would it be open to anybody wishing to discuss gay issues?

said by la luna :

Other than a couple of unfortunate users, the rest object because they feel the forum would cause problems

said by hopeflicker :

I would like to see all of those that OBJECT stand up and say it's because of their belief.

said by james :

Guess what, I support their rights too. I support their right to be stuck posting with the rest of us in General Talk when they have something to say that isn't related to Internet access.

said by dave :

I think we need a forum where people without a sense of humour can post messages to each other without risk of getting confused.

said by netokc :

Please remember this is a technical site and this is considered is a non-technical topic.

said by james :

The thing that pisses me off most is that your joke proves that you're assuming all those who are against your glbt forum are straight guys who are afraid that everyone will think they're gay if they agree with you. What the hell is wrong with some gay people? I'm not interested in who you have sex with, it's not an issue. (...)

said by hpguru :

But defending someone or some group doesn't make me one of them does it?

said by hpguru :

Sorry but I'm not gay. I didn't think one need be gay to be supportive of their rights.

said by james :

What the hell is wrong with some gay people? I'm not interested in who you have sex with, it's not an issue.

said by hpguru :

Great idea! But before that I would want to see a "Manly Men Forum" where the dudes can get together and discuss all the reasons why they're not queer. :)

said by removed :

... but it seems like you guys are just beating a dead horse now.

said by robbob340 :

I would not mind a gay forum, because I would not venture there to either troll, or make stupid statements, but I agree there are far more appropriate places to do it.

said by robbob340 :

What technical issues are you talking about Johnny that would not the normal person might come across?

said by robbob340 :

What technical issues are you talking about Johnny that would not the normal person might come across?

said by Johnny
** object **
I doubt you'll see this, but the requester wanted to be able to discuss aspects of technical issues in the context of a community in which discussions wouldn't be interrupted by so much flaming and insults.

said by boricua65_nli :

Phew, it took me over four hours reading all 22 pages, but I got through it in between doing my job. I am neutral.

said by netokc :

There are other media and web sites available for this topic. Please remember this is a technical site and this is considered is a non-technical topic.

** object **

said by Weirdal :

*sign* for this. Keep the forum in the closet and adopt a "don't ask don't tell" policy.

said by fatness :

Are there libraries and schools that block sites which feature the words "gay" and/or "lesbian"?

said by Boogeyman :

And to make the rule that you are not allowed to discuss it outside of said forum.

said by Boogeyman :

. And to make the rule that you are not allowed to discuss it outside of said forum.

said by Rombus :

Its hard to tell for sure, since there are so many different tools. And its not the HR/Corporations you really have to worry about, its the schools/libraries, since they usually use off the shelf tools and don't usually look at whats being blocked.

said by hopeflicker :

come on people. The term gay and lesbian is used everywhere on the net. Hell, people have even used it in this thread numerous times. If people are so worried about us using that term, well, the mods better go back and edit out all of those "BAD" words in this thread

OMG!! 10+ pages of gayness: »/nsearch?q=gay :huh:

It's terrible argument for not wanting a gay forum.

give me a break.

said by Mats :

He was 16. That is a kid.

said by Mats :

What kind of "couple" in their late 30's and 40's sits around and has 14 and 16 year olds over and gives them alcohol and starts saying they are attractive.. This has nothing to do with gays, this is just wrong and very creepy.

Your lil story has done nothing but probably make it worse for peoples feelings towards "gays".

said by Boogeyman :

Sorry, nothing to do with the topic really, I just wanted to share and show people that maybe all it takes is a little familiarity with the unknown and you may start to see things differently.

said by Rombus :

Its hard to tell for sure, since there are so many different tools. And its not the HR/Corporations you really have to worry about, its the schools/libraries, since they usually use off the shelf tools and don't usually look at whats being blocked.

And when i said "Overzealous administrator" I meant the administrators of the filter list company. I think that you correct that most Corporate net admins would be smart enough to not block those words.

said by Backspace :

How about Health, Fitness and Alternative Life Decisions?

said by james :

...and now half the time when I try to find a forum I haven't been to lately, it takes me 20 mins to sift through the forums that are unrelated to broadband

said by james :

I object because if people keep making these seperate forums, they will intermingle less.

said by cacroll :

Have you ever setup or administered an online community? I have.

said by cacroll :

All of those forums - the NUMEROUS forums under "City Chat" and "Talk" and "Current Affairs/Politics", you know, things like "The Watercooler", "The Pub", "Red Room", "Blue Room" - are all bullshit forums, which exist purely to keep the bullshit out of the serious forums.

Now it's my impression that the proposed GLBT (not "gay") forum for DSLR Forums would not be for bullshit, it's intended for real serious issues. And that's why a GLBT Forum would be OT for DSLR Forums.

Real serious non tech discussions belong elsewhere, not in DSLR Forums.

said by fatness :

Hwo many, or what %, of overzealous administrators block the words 'gay' or 'lesbian'? Do you have any idea? I don't, but I'm guessing that, with HR policies being what they are, the number is small.

said by tmpchaos :

Lumberjacks?

said by hpguru :

Great idea! But before that I would want to see a "Manly Men Forum" where the dudes can get together and discuss all the reasons why they're not queer. :)

said by Steve :

Also: I'd like a new Abortion Talk forum

said by PCInTech :

*SIGN*!

But, with the very conditions that are stated above. It should be a private forum w/ conditions that what is said there, stays there, and moderated as a SERIOUS forum. I'm all for it. I also think it shouldn't be limited to G/L, but should be GLBT.

said by Corona :

They could name it "shmushmortion talk" for everyone who is sensitive about that word.

said by Steve :

*Sign*

Also: I'd like a new Abortion Talk forum

said by Steve :

*Sign*

Also: I'd like a new Abortion Talk forum

said by Annmarie :

Gay & Lesbian talk is no more a Lifestyle than hetero talk. Lifestyle implies choice. I never chose my sexual orientation.

A Lifestyle might be something like being a vegan or a nudist - a choice was made.