DataDoc
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| [XP Pro] Will the XP Pro license transfer to a rebuilt PC?
I'm replacing my wife's work pc, everything except the hard drive. That will be replaced later. Is XP going to complain about this? Will it complain again when I replace the hard disk? If so, can I do something to make the transition smoother?
FYI,here's my post about the replacement hardware:
»Have I put together the right system to do this?
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ChiTang
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| There is no actual machanism to "transfer the license", it only has the hurdle of re-activation.
IMO, it will be for your long term interest to figure out why your wife's PC keep shutting down and backup your wife's HD.
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Octavean
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If the old PC is an OEM manufactured system (AKA made / assembled by a manufacturer such as Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP, CompaQ and so on) then it is a violation of the OEM software license agreement to transfer and use the OS on a different system. |
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DataDoc
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| said by Octavean  :If the old PC is an OEM manufactured system (AKA made / assembled by a manufacturer such as Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP, CompaQ and so on) then it is a violation of the OEM software license agreement to transfer and use the OS on a different system. I see your point, but the only original parts are the MB and the hard disk. Everything else (keyboard, mouse, monitor, case, power supply, memory and network card) has been replaced.
I wonder a what point it becomes a different system? |
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ChiTang
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| said by DataDoc :I wonder a what point it becomes a different system? When one replaces a part in a system, one will think it is the same system. By the same thought, if one keeps replacing different part, one at a time, over a period of time, is it the same system anymore?
To answer your question, whenever OS/MS think it is. A re-activation is required.
It is always "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law".
Ask yourself, "I'm replacing my wife's work pc, everything except the hard drive. That will be replaced later." Will that be a new system?
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DataDoc
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| said by ChiTang :said by DataDoc :I wonder a what point it becomes a different system? When one replaces a part in a system, one will think it is the same system. By the same thought, if one keeps replacing different part, one at a time, over a period of time, is it the same system anymore? To answer your question, whenever OS/MS think it is. A re-activation is required. It is always "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law". Ask yourself, "I'm replacing my wife's work pc, everything except the hard drive. That will be replaced later." Will that be a new system? I've made my own "Ship of Theseus".
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus |
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ChiTang
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Alhambra, CA | Well, Ship of Theseus is a Paradox, nothing else but only a paradox.
This will be my last post for this thread, 10-4 I am out.
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JimmyCarter1
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You can't replace the MB and use the same hard drive with an installed operating system unless it is exactly the same as the one already in the computer. If you do use the exact same MB {my experience} more often than not it will work.
Maxtor MaxBlast 5 will do the job when you are ready to replace the hard drive. It is very very easy to do.
You should copy the files you want to save onto an external hard drive.
In the future save the installation programs into an external hard drive so if you have to reinstall programs you have them.
If they were OEM programs and you have the recovery disk they are on it and if you explore the CD or DVD you can reinstall them.
Finally, I really do not like any of the components you are going to use for the new system.
Why spend money on obsolescent components? |
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said by Octavean :If the old PC is an OEM manufactured system (AKA made / assembled by a manufacturer such as Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP, CompaQ and so on) then it is a violation of the OEM software license agreement to transfer and use the OS on a different system. Actually that is a half-truth. Previously working for a Sys-VAR, as long as the customer has provided a valid COA for re-installation of Windows, it can be done without consequence.
I have transferred licenses from dead OEM systems to rebuilt systems numerous times and have activated them with the customers permission. Microsoft Activation only cares that the license is valid and used on one system only. The name of the OEM does not apply, and the customer is to understand that the OEM or Microsoft will not provide support as the old system no longer exists.
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said by DataDoc : the only original parts are the MB and the hard disk. Everything else (keyboard, mouse, monitor, case, power supply, memory and network card) has been replaced. I wonder a what point it becomes a different system? When the motherboard is replaced with a newer motherboard that is not the same exact model number to the original motherboard then it is a new PC. OEM Windows isn't transferable to a new or different PC.
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said by Xtort :Actually that is a half-truth. Previously working for a Sys-VAR, as long as the customer has provided a valid COA for re-installation of Windows, it can be done without consequence. I have transferred licenses from dead OEM systems to rebuilt systems numerous times and have activated them with the customers permission. Better read the two attached PDF files in my other post. You are not allowed to use Dead COAs.
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beefcake122
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Why the big debate? Simply rebuild your PC and when you activate just tell them you replaced the hard drive. I have no idea why you guys are debating this issue because M$ doesn't care about those who simply build new computers  |
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said by JimmyCarter1 :You can't replace the MB and use the same hard drive with an installed operating system unless it is exactly the same as the one already in the computer. If you do use the exact same MB {my experience} more often than not it will work. That is a well known issue and the easy fix is to run a XP Repair Install before the first boot after changing the MB (even to the same exact Model) and then reinstall the Motherboard Drivers first thing. Finally reinstall any other drivers for the board and any add-in cards in the system. Easy to do and no secret.
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Doctor Olds
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said by beefcake122 : I have no idea why you guys are debating this issue because M$ doesn't care about those who simply build new computers You really should read the two PDFs I posted. You have some info that is inaccurate.
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If I'm not mistaken I was told by MS once that if you replace the Mobo that requires you to buy a new license. However, I've rebuilt dozens of computers with new mobo and simply do as beefcake said, call and just tell them you did a reinstall (I never told them I replaced any parts) and they will provide you with a new activation code.
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JimmyCarter1
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Who said anything about reinstalling windows...you don't reinstall windows...
Before you replace the MB with and exact type you save a drive image onto an external hard drive...
Then you erase the hard drive...install ANY copy of ANY windows XP and then RESTORE THE DRIVE IMAGE..It boots perfectly to the new motherboard...only once did it flag me and I did system restore and it said OK.
Hope you understand Hard Drives, MB and Drive Images. |
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said by Locutus65 :If I'm not mistaken I was told by MS once that if you replace the Mobo that requires you to buy a new license. However, I've rebuilt dozens of computers with new mobo and simply do as beefcake said, call and just tell them you did a reinstall (I never told them I replaced any parts) and they will provide you with a new activation code. I don't think lying to them in order to get something you're not entitled to, thereby committing fraud, can be considered an "acceptable path". |
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Octavean
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said by Xtort :Actually that is a half-truth. Previously working for a Sys-VAR, as long as the customer has provided a valid COA for re-installation of Windows, it can be done without consequence. I have transferred licenses from dead OEM systems to rebuilt systems numerous times and have activated them with the customers permission. Microsoft Activation only cares that the license is valid and used on one system only. The name of the OEM does not apply, and the customer is to understand that the OEM or Microsoft will not provide support as the old system no longer exists. I’m only referring to respecting the EULA something of which is seemingly a dying practice. Obviously there are many things that can be done that violate the agreement without noteworthy “consciences”. |
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said by JimmyCarter1 :Dr. Olds Who said anything about reinstalling windows...you don't reinstall windows... Before you replace the MB with and exact type you save a drive image onto an external hard drive... Then you erase the hard drive...install ANY copy of ANY windows XP and then RESTORE THE DRIVE IMAGE..It boots perfectly to the new motherboard...only once did it flag me and I did system restore and it said OK. Hope you understand Hard Drives, MB and Drive Images. Read up on repairing an XP installation.
»The Broadband Reports Windows XP FAQ »How do I repair Windows XP?
The way you describe fixing a MB change is three times the work and requires owning Commercial Software or having to go out to buy it and is like telling someone that in order to tune their engine, you must adjust their spark plugs from the tailpipe end of the vehicle and that they must buy new seat covers and an extra set of tires before you can get started.
It is a well known practice to fix the XP install when the existing old Motherboard drivers do not match the replacement Motherboard by the FAQ I posted above and the Article below:
Replace Motherboard on a Windows XP System
»www.theeldergeek.com/replace_motherboard.htm
Restoring an image with the wrong motherboard drivers is a waste of time. A restore is only going to put back the wrong drivers again.
I hope you understand that you are doing things the hard way and don't fully understand which makes it hard to explain when you don't have the background training. You have a crutch on imaging programs, multiple copies of XP and external hardware and then expect everyone to have the same Commercial Software, extra copies of different XP versions and extra Hardware that you have that the normal PC Owner does not have that which then must be purchased at extra expense when they don't need any of it at all.
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Octavean
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New York, NY | Quite right, the OP made no mention of what means he had at his convenience. Some user on OEM systems may only have an image on a recovery partition to work with or an image on recovery discs CD / DVD. |
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