RichATL
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Re: Bandwidth Limits - All discussion here
The point is that you can get along in life without electricity, even if YOU think it is a necessity and would categorize it as a utility. |
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1 edit | It's not that *I* categorize it - I'm nobody!
*THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities.
Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it?
You can dig a well, so much for water, right?
Is that on me too? 
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RichATL
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| said by dadkins  :It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path.
By the way...if you are nobody...and we all know that nobody's perfect...does that make you perfect...?...  |
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1 edit | said by RichATL :said by dadkins :It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path. dadkins already stated this!
About »Re: Bandwidth Limits - All discussion here
"Comcast HSI is a residential service.
It is not a utility for homes. Sorry!
Maybe someday, but not at this point in time."
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said by RichATL :said by dadkins :It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path.By the way...if you are nobody...and we all know that nobody's perfect...does that make you perfect...?... LMAO!
I never said that Internet shouldn't be classified as a utility - re read *ALL* of my posts.
I stated that it is NOT a utility. Simply because it has not been deemed as one by the powers that be.
I look forward to Internet being a utility!
At This Time, it is not.
Was never my decision, was it?
Tell me, how long was electricity around before *THEY* decided to label it as a utility?
Me? Perfect? F*** no! No one is! No one ever has been either.
Facts are facts though... Someone, somewhere(not me!) classified our utilities *AS* utilities.
When *THEY* label internet as a utility, then I suppose it will be.
Can you, or anyone else, show me where the Government has classified internet as a utility?
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said by TKJunkMail :said by pianotech :The water company charges you more when you use more {sic} electricity water and less when you use less. I don't know about your water company. But mine and all the others I know pay a minimum FEE no matter how much water you use. Even if you use none, you still pay a minimum amount. That goes without saying. But after that minimum fee, you pay based on your usage. |
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said by KrK :said by pianotech :When you think about it, every other commodity or utility we buy is metered. Water, natural gas, oil, gasoline, electricity, cell phone minutes.... Why do we expect bandwidth to be different? Because it's not like other commodities. You don't have to extract it, refine it, purify it, manufacture it, etc etc. Once the initial investment is made in equipment, there is negligible cost difference from sending 1 byte of traffic to sending a trillion bytes of traffic. Disagree. You DO have to manufacture it. Infrastructure doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And infrastructure needs to be maintained. Lines, servers, switches deteriorate over time. |
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The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania.
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said by Johkal :Absolutely correct; Internet is not a utility. What do I do with my internet access:Pay bills through my bank Buy items from retailers E-mail Surf Help on BBR What would I do if I didn't have internet access:Write checks to pay bills Go to the retailer's stores Use a phone to call the people, write letters, TXT MSG Read a book, take a walk, swim, visit more friends, etc As for helping with BBR; oh well, you're on your own I'm not really following your argument. If I understand correctly, you seem to be saying that Internet access is not a utility since you can find other ways to do thing you otherwise do on it.
Using that logic, municipal water is not a utility because you can dig a well or buy bottled water or drink Coke. Electricity is not a utility because you can generate your own.
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said by pianotech : quote:
The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania. You obviously are not from the rest of the planet.
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pianotech
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| said by dadkins :said by pianotech : quote:
The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania. You obviously are not from the rest of the planet. Good, we've established that you are not from where I am from, and I am not from where you are from.
Where I am from the Amish are a very large community. Truly statewide. On any given day driving through the state you will encounter many Amish buggies and farms. Just point out to you that just because your experience says that the Amish are a small community, I would say that there often is more to an issue than your experience of it. |
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pianotech
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But we are getting way off course. I still have not heard a good reason why net users shouldn't be charged according to the bandwidth they use.
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You don't grasp that NO individual can decide what is or is not classified as a utility.
No one is forcing you to have water or electricity, but it usually does have to be offered to the curb.
I have a friend that has water at the road/curb(no actual curbs on his road, but you get the idea) - he uses his well.
The fact is, the water is offered as a utility because it is a utility.
Electricity, yeah! Duh!
No internet or cable until he requested it.
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pianotech
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You don't grasp that NO individual can decide what is or is not classified as a utility.
No one is forcing you to have water or electricity, but it usually does have to be offered to the curb.
That is simply not so! Many rural areas do NOT have access to municipal water lines. Or sewer lines for that matter. They have wells and septic tanks. Same with natural gas lines. Many places in rural areas here heat with oil or liquid propane tanks because natural gas lines do not hit their area. It really is not uncommon.
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Here's a article that is a good read:
»www.networkworld.com/columnists/···son.html
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said by pianotech :But we are getting way off course. I still have not heard a good reason why net users shouldn't be charged according to the bandwidth they use. Have you seen ANYWHERE where I was opposed to metered billing?
I use a network crushing 30-35GB per month!
Bring it on!
At the current pricing scheme, I am paying(aparently) $52.95 for 250GB per month.
Do the math!
With metered/by the GB use, my bill would be $7.41 per month!
Naw, screw all that, huh? 
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said by dadkins :I never said that Internet shouldn't be classified as a utility - re read *ALL* of my posts. I stated that it is NOT a utility. Simply because it has not been deemed as one by the powers that be. No, you did not. What you did say and keep saying is that residential broadband is a luxury, which it would seem like quite a few people are disagreeing with you. What might be more accurate in a factual sense is that residential broadband is a luxury for you.
If you really do believe Internet access is a luxury and don't understand how it has integrated over the last decade in to the every day life of many people around the world, then maybe we should start another thread dedicated to that subject so you can get a better understanding of how people use the Internet in their daily lives.
In response to your other comment in another thread regarding using the Internet in relation to your employment, I don't believe I need a business class connection or service level to check e-mails and visit a few web sites. That would just be, well, silly.
From This Thread:
said by dadkins :Residential broadband is a luxury. Schools and the like have had a need for communications longer than Joe Six Pack. From The Other Thread:
said by dadkins :HSI for residential use is a luxury. If you use broadband for work or business, then you need to buy or have your employer purchace a business connection. Still not a utility. |
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pianotech
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Have you seen ANYWHERE where I was opposed to metered billing?
Great, then we agree!
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pianotech
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What I think is wrong is Comcast threatening to discontinue service to those who go over. That's just dumb. Why not just charge them more accordingly? The added profits would make their shareholders happy.
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Agreed!
But what about here in the city or suburbs?
I cannot have a well drilled.
Windmills are forbidden.
Where do you suggest I get my power and water?
From the Public Utilities, right?
Tell me, who was it that made the utilities - utilities?
You?
Me?
Joe Blowski?
Please quit reaching here friend!
It is not my fault that internet is not a utility, but it isn't!
When it does becaome a metered utility, we can compare bills, ok? 
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