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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here
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Does the 250GB cap mean upload and download combined or is it just download? It's not specified in the acceptable use policy. |
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Re: Higher Speeds Force Some to Download More?
Please notice you have a link to this subtopic in the first post in this thread to this which has been driven into the ground a number of times.
Again, I am sorry you are not pleased with Comcast offerings and sincerely hope you find a service more to your liking.
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said by sortofageek  :Trying to follow your logic, it seems the "you" would have to be a person with a mission to fill time with downloading. That wouldn't be me. Regardless of the speed of my connection, I download only what I actually need. A faster connection just gets the job done faster, so I can get on with life. But then the existence of cheesecake, which I do love, in abundance does not cause me to eat it in excess, either. This is another re-hash, BTW. ... And yet another repetitive comment. Like it, buy it. If you don't, look for something more appealing to you. Do you have something actually new to discuss in regard to bandwidth limits? If you had a bigger plate, you could (and many would) take more cake. 
Speed means I'm actually going to download that HD Trailer or watch that HD Movie from iTunes/Netflix instead of thinking that it'll take too long.
Remember 56k modems? What was our consumption with those? It was probably pretty low, because none of us wanted to wait for a 60 MB trailer to download. If we were lucky, we'd download the smallest, lowest resolution file possible under the circumstances.
Higher speed connections have driven resolution/size and resolution/size drives higher speeds... hopefully...
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said by sortofageek :said by IPPlanMan :Excessive consumption... Don't the higher service speeds themselves contribute to "excessive consumption"? ... Since the downloads take less time, you'll have a higher consumption... Trying to follow your logic, it seems the "you" would have to be a person with a mission to fill time with downloading. That wouldn't be me. Regardless of the speed of my connection, I download only what I actually need. A faster connection just gets the job done faster, so I can get on with life. But then the existence of cheesecake, which I do love, in abundance does not cause me to eat it in excess, either. This is another re-hash, BTW. said by IPPlanMan :Fact is, the cap is the same for all of the tiers. And yet another repetitive comment. Like it, buy it. If you don't, look for something more appealing to you. Do you have something actually new to discuss in regard to bandwidth limits? I believe that having a superior tool enables one to do and accomplish more. The same way if one has a bigger and faster vehicle compared to a bicycle one would travel more or if one would have a bigger house one would purchase more furniture or have larger parties.
That is why one purchases a faster connection, to do more, not ONLY to do it in less time.
I have Comcast TV also and added a few channels I liked because I wanted to watch MORE of the programming I liked. As a result of this purchase, my consumption increased.
I have a cellular data plan because I wanted to use MORE internet access on the go, not only faster.
In this case, the increase in speed can be equated to an increase in EFFICIENCY. In any business oriented mindset, one would expect to accomplish MORE, not only faster. If in a board meeting I would present a device that would increase our efficiency but would expect the overall production to stay at a flat level, that would be unexpected. No, we would want to use the new tool at a stable good level, say 80%, and increase our output. |
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said by IPPlanMan :Excessive consumption... Don't the higher service speeds themselves contribute to "excessive consumption"? ... Since the downloads take less time, you'll have a higher consumption... Trying to follow your logic, it seems the "you" would have to be a person with a mission to fill time with downloading. That wouldn't be me. Regardless of the speed of my connection, I download only what I actually need. A faster connection just gets the job done faster, so I can get on with life.
But then the existence of cheesecake, which I do love, in abundance does not cause me to eat it in excess, either.
This is another re-hash, BTW.
said by IPPlanMan :Fact is, the cap is the same for all of the tiers. And yet another repetitive comment. Like it, buy it. If you don't, look for something more appealing to you.
Do you have something actually new to discuss in regard to bandwidth limits?
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Re: The cap should be clearly stated in the advertising
said by fbg :
Using cell phone analogy is phony, as ISP don't charge usage by the minute.
Neither do phone companies, unless you pass a "cap". |
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Higher Speeds Force Some to Download More?
Excessive consumption...
Don't the higher service speeds themselves contribute to "excessive consumption"?
You are less likely to download that 2-3 GB 720p HD Movie on Comcast's 1 MB / 384 Kbps service tier than you are to download it on the 12 Mbps / 2 Mbps or 20 Mbps / 4 Mbps tiers.
As for the 50 Mbps / 10 Mbps tier... you're even more likely to download it....
Since the downloads take less time, you'll have a higher consumption...
Fact is, the cap is the same for all of the tiers.
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Re: Is Comcast "throttling" torrent downloads in Oakland?
said by jlivingood :Recommendation - start a new thread. Posting a new issue on a 115-page thread is unlikely to result in satisfactory troubleshooting by other users. Jason has a good idea here. I started to split your post(s) out to a new topic, but it was impossible to separate your two different subjects.
Try a new thread and post the requested info: »Comcast High Speed Internet FAQ »How To Get Help!
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said by DavisPhotog :They don't advertise that eating their food makes you fat because it doesn't do that by itself. It requires excessive consumption. Just playing the devil's advocate here. LOL
Yes, this was my point. I'm glad someone got it.
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said by DavisPhotog :said by EG :said by DavisPhotog :Comcast seems to be throttling torrent downloads in Oakland, albeit not heavy enough to immediately suspect them as culprits. Do you have any packet captures such as from the Wireshark application showing spoofed TCP resets to prove it ? I would in fact like to get to the bottom of this. I can't seem to make WireShark work on OS X (it opens, says something about building a font library, and then closes). Can you recommend any alternatives? Recommendation - start a new thread. Posting a new issue on a 115-page thread is unlikely to result in satisfactory troubleshooting by other users.
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said by EG :said by DavisPhotog :Comcast seems to be throttling torrent downloads in Oakland, albeit not heavy enough to immediately suspect them as culprits. Do you have any packet captures such as from the Wireshark application showing spoofed TCP resets to prove it ? I would in fact like to get to the bottom of this. I can't seem to make WireShark work on OS X (it opens, says something about building a font library, and then closes). Can you recommend any alternatives?
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Re: The cap should be clearly stated in the advertising
So here's a summary:
Comcast Residential:
Ads: No cap mentioned
TOS: Cap mentioned - 250 GB
Comcast Business:
Ads: No cap mentioned
TOS: Excessive use clause, but no cap mentioned
Comcastcares post on DSLR: "... at this time our business accounts do not have a bandwidth cap."
Verizon DSL
Ads/Website Comparison: No cap mentioned -"Unlimited usage - We don’t charge extra or otherwise limit your Internet usage."
TOS: "Bandwidth limits from time to time"
Verizon Fios
Ads/Website: No cap mentioned
TOS: No cap mentioned - Verizon AUP - »https://www.verizon.net/central/vzc.port···tableUse - Specific Examples of AUP Violations. The following are examples of conduct which may lead to termination of your Service. Without limiting the general policy in Section 1, it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to: ... (i) generate excessive amounts of email or other Internet traffic;
Does this state things correctly?
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11-10-2009 IETF meeting/Internet Society lunch briefing
Since I agree that the thread is a bit long in the tooth, here's some new content:
Today at the IETF meeting, the Internet Society hosted a lunch briefing. You can get the slides and the audiocast here:
overview: »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bwpanel/
audio: »videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf768.m3u
Internet Bandwidth Growth: Dealing with Reality
Held during IETF 76
The possibility of the Internet's impending collapse due to the explosive growth in Internet bandwidth use is a recurring high-profile theme in the popular media.
However, the reality of measuring and understanding Internet bandwidth growth and its implications at macro-scales is complex. While policy debates around issues such as "network neutrality" are underway, network operators are already managing their networks to address issues raised by bandwidth-intensive applications.
This briefing session will share, in accessible terms, the realities of measuring bandwidth growth on the Internet today, as well as efforts to identify and deal with issues it raises, addressing questions such as:
* Is there anything different about bandwidth growth today that will cause problems not faced in the past?
* Are there better ways than those currently employed by network operators to manage issues raised by bandwidth-intensive applications?
* How does related work underway in the IETF factor into these issues?
On the panel
The panel will feature:
Leslie Daigle, ISOC (Moderator)
Slides: »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bw···igle.pdf
Leslie Daigle is the Chief Internet Technology Officer for the Internet Society. She has been actively involved in shaping the Internet's technical evolution for more than a dozen years. Her role with the Internet Society is to provide strategic leadership on important technical issues as they relate to ISOC's ongoing programs. She has worked with the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) since 1995, and was an appointed member of the related Internet Architecture Board (IAB) from March 2000 to March 2008.
Kenjiro Cho, IIJ
Slides: »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bw···_cho.pdf
Kenjiro Cho is Deputy Research Director at Internet Initiative Japan, Inc. He is also an adjunct professor at Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, and a board member of the WIDE project. His current research interests include traffic measurement and management, and operating system support for networking. He has been involved in residential traffic measurement in Japan since 2004.
Lars Eggert, Nokia Research Center, IETF Transport Area Director
slides - »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bw···gert.pdf
Lars Eggert is a principal scientist at the Nokia Research Center in Helsinki, Finland and a member of Nokia's CEO Technology Council. He is also an adjunct professor at the Helsinki University of Technology (HUT/TKK). Lars has worked on research projects ranging from internetwork architecture, transport protocols, virtual networks to resource scheduling. He is a member of the ACM, a senior member of the IEEE and an individual member of ISOC as well as an active participant in the IRTF and IETF, where he currently serves as Area Director of the Transport Area and previously served as Working Group Chair.
Danny McPherson, Arbor Networks
Slides: »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bw···rson.pdf
With over 15 years in the Internet network operations, security and telecommunications industries, Danny brings to Arbor extensive technical leadership experience. At Arbor, he is a main contributor to Arbor's overall strategy and product architecture. Prior to joining Arbor he was with Amber Networks, and prior to that worked in network operations and architecture positions for nearly a decade; at internetMCI, Genuity (acquired by GTE Internetworking), Qwest Communications and the US Army. He has been an active participant in Internet Standardization since 1996, is currently a member of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), and co-chairs the IETF's PWE3 WG.
Richard Woundy, Comcast
Slides: »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bw···undy.pdf
Richard Woundy is Senior Vice President of Comcast, one of the United States' leading providers of entertainment, information and communication products and services.
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Re: Is Comcast "throttling" torrent downloads in Oakland?
said by DavisPhotog :Comcast seems to be throttling torrent downloads in Oakland, albeit not heavy enough to immediately suspect them as culprits. Do you have any packet captures such as from the Wireshark application showing spoofed TCP resets to prove it ? |
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said by DavisPhotog :They don't advertise that eating their food makes you fat because it doesn't do that by itself. It requires excessive consumption. Just playing the devil's advocate here. Comcast seems to be throttling torrent downloads in Oakland, albeit not heavy enough to immediately suspect them as culprits. I find it hard to get more than 100-300kb/sec down on many torrents, whereas my friend on Time Warner consistently gets 1mb/sec down on a comparably-tiered connection. What gives, Comcast? Sorry - we're not doing that. Your problem lies elsewhere.
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In regard to "throttling," please check out these links from the first post in this topic:
Subtopics about the new Congestion Management System:
»[Speed] Does Comcast Throttle Following Large Download Sessions
Comcast Clarification on Network Management System
»Question about new throttling system
»Comcast does not "throttle" YouTube or Hulu
»[NEWS]Comcast quits throttling bit torrent
»Comcast does not "throttle" Netflix
»Comcast QOS system is not a "throttling" system
»[Resolved] Comcast messing with my torrent?
»Comcast Caps/Throttle
»Bittorrent activity causes disconnects
»[Congestion Mgmt] Comcast checking BT port
»Can exceeding the cap affect your speeds?
»[Connectivity] Throttle on torrent?
»CC's Protocol-Agnostic Congestion Management System Draft
»M-Lab test results
»Blatant Throttling
»Comcast announces new bandwidth throttling scheme
»Comcast announces new bandwidth throttling scheme
»This is how Comcast's congestion management works
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They don't advertise that eating their food makes you fat because it doesn't do that by itself. It requires excessive consumption. Just playing the devil's advocate here.
Comcast seems to be throttling torrent downloads in Oakland, albeit not heavy enough to immediately suspect them as culprits. I find it hard to get more than 100-300kb/sec down on many torrents, whereas my friend on Time Warner consistently gets 1mb/sec down on a comparably-tiered connection.
What gives, Comcast?
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said by WernerSchutz :The reason nutrition info is displayed was because that was mandated to prevent glossing over or omitting such important harmful data. Wow are you being dense on purpose?
I said McDs does not advertise that eating their food makes you FAT.
But you can find the nutrition info posted... in the store.
So, now think about comcast ads, and caps... think really hard... see? They do not mention the massive cap in the ads, but it is there for you to see BEFORE YOU BUY.
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