dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| reply to gabeman
Re: Comcast has new Acceptable Use Policy besides the 250GB cap
said by gabeman  :Once again, I wonder what the point of having Blast is. At this point, it's like driving 300mph... into a wall. Blast on Comcast HSI(a residential service) is for seeing a new ____ file and getting it at 16mbps+ if the server can push it.
It is *NOT* for lighting up your newsgroup download queue 24/7.
I do my fair share at downloading... stuff - I have yet to go over 40GB per month.
According to what they want us to believe, 2-5GB is the average user - that makes me(@~35GB per month) a *hog*.
So, if I am a hog @ 35GB, what does that make people that are complaining about 250GB?
Y'all just need to be glad they didn't pull a Rogers on *us* with a 60GB cap!
Happy Downloading! 
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turn2dust
join:2002-05-10
Algonquin, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Does anyone honestly or actually know what is all impacted by this policy? Online gaming? VOPI, Vonage, etc? |
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apexi350z
join:2008-06-23
Sugar Land, TX
| reply to trent25
said by trent25 :Comcast should definitely have a page where one can check his usage. They had one for the 2GB/month newsgroup access, so why not have something similar for total monthly traffic usage with an email warning system when you hit say 200GB. They definitely have a tracking system, the question is, will it be available to the public.
Sort of like my cell phone usage tracking would be nice. |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
 ·Vonage
| Vonage by default uses somewhere in the 90's Kb/s of upload bandwidth and can be lowered using the bandwidth saver option. I wonder what it uses on the download side? I never noticed a drop while performing speed tests but do see a significant drop on uploads while someone is on the phone. |
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JM2376
@ameritech.net
| reply to TKJunkMail
It could've been a lot worse if the number was lower. But 250GB seems pretty reasonable to me...for now anyway. As Blu-ray picks up more steam and newer Internet technologies emerge, 250 may seem painfully low in a couple years. Hopefully Comcast will adjust that number upward if technology warrents it.
But overall, I'm fine with the 250 number. |
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Alcohol
Premium
join:2003-05-26
Somerset, NJ
| reply to TKJunkMail
They should offer more allocated bw for people who have the triple play.
Anybody else see this turning into a marketing concept? Sign up now and the 250Gb limit is waved off for a year..
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huyvu
join:2001-03-25
| reply to TKJunkMail
Hmmmm...I wonder if you call in and ask for a credit towards my limit for all the noise (viruses, scans, etc...) coming from other comcast customers and the net in general. I didn't ask for it so I shouldn't have count against me. No idea how much that is but could be used as a defense since Comcast is tracking what is coming thru the cable modem while the customer is tracking what is going thru their router. |
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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
| reply to Alcohol
said by Alcohol :They should offer more allocated bw for people who have the triple play. Anybody else see this turning into a marketing concept? Sign up now and the 250Gb limit is waved off for a year.. Not going to happen, the whole point of doing this is to prevent any one person/(or group of people) from overloading a node or CMTS.
(Sure, a few people on a node could choose to max out their connections, just to cause a problem for comcast, (and everyone else on that node) but they'll be gone the next month (even sooner if CC determines that it is a deliberate attempt to compromise network operations )
If you have triple play, your useage should be less, much of your video needs should be served by the Cable, and the phone should reduce the need for other VoIP. I could see, at some point in the future them having multiple tiers, with different caps and perhap triple pay customers getting a higher tier included (rather then a multiservice discount) |
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gabeman
join:2001-05-03
Philadelphia, PA
clubs:
·Hotwire Communicat..
| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Blast on Comcast HSI(a residential service) is for seeing a new ____ file and getting it at 16mbps+ if the server can push it. It is *NOT* for lighting up your newsgroup download queue 24/7. I do my fair share at downloading... stuff - I have yet to go over 40GB per month. According to what they want us to believe, 2-5GB is the average user - that makes me(@~35GB per month) a *hog*. So, if I am a hog @ 35GB, what does that make people that are complaining about 250GB? Y'all just need to be glad they didn't pull a Rogers on *us* with a 60GB cap! Happy Downloading! That's one way of looking at it... another is that I want to download twice as much in the same amount of time (you're looking at it as downloading the same amount in 1/2 the time). |
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beeman65
join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA
| reply to TKJunkMail
I agree they are shooting themselves in the foot by telling you to use a third party tool to monitor their usage. At the very least, they could have "endorsed" a tool. That way if you call and complain they could tell you to use that tool. Now if you call, they won't believe your numbers from your monitor tool (anyone else see them not accepting screen caps?) and they will tell you what they have you on record for. Then the customer will just be more upset because they don't know Comcast's official number.
Correct if I am wrong as I am not a web developer, but I assume your usage would linked to your account in their database. Then, on your account detail page, they can query that database and pull your usage based on your account number.
This limit won't affect me as even in my heydey of really using my connection I was only doing 50GB a month, but now I don't use as it much. But this will hit home for some customers.
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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
·Comcast
| My guess is that developing a way for you to see the same number they see (from their DB) is still being worked on. If they endorse (more than the suggestions they made) it leaves them open to having people question any differences in the totals. also they need to be sure that user privacy is complete, and that even maximum accesses in no way jepordizes the system.
Considering how inaccurate the "Network health" page is area by area, a realtime highly accurate individual useage tool seems much more complex.
No downloaded tool will be considered accurate enough for their action (too easy to manipulate the totals) |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
·Vonage
| Are they tracking you by your identity at the node?
I ask this because there is ways people can "steal" your connection info and put you way over the 250GB limit. I'm wondering what's going to happen to the victim and the thief's connection? The victim might get the slap on the hands for using too much, while the thief will have to find another account to "leech" from.  |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| said by CUBS_FAN :Are they tracking you by your identity at the node? I ask this because there is ways people can "steal" your connection info and put you way over the 250GB limit. I'm wondering what's going to happen to the victim and the thief's connection? The victim might get the slap on the hands for using too much, while the thief will have to find another account to "leech" from. It would have to be by IP, and not by MAC ID, to prevent confusions as you are describing. |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL | Then it's possible that customers could get their service suspended for a year because thieves across town is using their identity. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
1 edit | said by CUBS_FAN :Then it's possible that customers could get their service suspended for a year because thieves across town is using their identity. It depends. I know that Comcast identifies equipment based on the mac id # and not necessarily by the IP. So there could be potential problems. |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
·Vonage
| said by Rob :It depends. I know that Comcast identifies equipment based on the mac id # and not necessarily by the IP. So there could be potential problems.    We'll see what happens down the line when people are screaming bloody Mary when their connection is arrested for a year for something they didn't do. Ask every inmate in jail if "they are innocent or guilty?" |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| And if Comcast doesn't provide a tool that allows folks to monitor their bandwidth, as it is seen in the eyes of Comcast, it will be difficult for subscribers to dispute anything. |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
No problem here:
June 2008 (Incoming: 20259 MB / Outgoing: 6641 MB)
July 2008 (Incoming: 31472 MB / Outgoing: 11577 MB)
August 2008 (Incoming: 19229 MB / Outgoing: 7307 MB) |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
·Vonage
1 edit | reply to Rob
And if Comcast doesn't provide a tool that allows folks to monitor their bandwidth, as it is seen in the eyes of Comcast, it will be difficult for subscribers to dispute anything. EXACTLY! They want to cap your usage give a meter like the Electric and water companies do. You have the evidence that you only downloaded 80GB of data, but somewhere at the node or CMTS it shows your identity and 260GB of usage. If the bandwidth usage is at your "local" meter you can suspect a virus on your P.C or an illegal hook-up to your connection going to your neighbor's house  . Also, what about the people who don't protect their WiFi routers and the whole neighborhood is having a download party at your expense. |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
Premium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to CUBS_FAN
said by CUBS_FAN :Vonage by default uses somewhere in the 90's Kb/s of upload bandwidth and can be lowered using the bandwidth saver option. I wonder what it uses on the download side? I never noticed a drop while performing speed tests but do see a significant drop on uploads while someone is on the phone. You used a lowercase b, so I am assuming you meant kilobits there...
90 kilobytes would put Vonage out of reach of a large percentage of the market.
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