wenter99
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Re: Comcast has new Acceptable Use Policy besides the 250GB cap
said by funchords  :Is 250 GB generous? No,... Is 250 GB acceptable? No... If it wasn't a monopoly (or duopoly) in most of its markets, than nobody should care what Comcast does. But since it wields monopolistic power, and is the largest Cable company to boot, then absolutely everyone ought to care. It's neither generous nor acceptable, so therefore it is unreasonable?
It isn't really a monopoly. Dial-up internet service is available almost everywhere.
Now, I know you and a few others are somewhat biased against Comcast because of history, but I'd bet most potential customers who are interested in subscribing to Comcast HSI residential, since the AUP was published the other day, would consider the cap and the AUP policy agreeable.
Terry
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sturmvogel
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said by Coollikethat :Some of the replies in this thread are talking about how High Speed Internet usage, DVR usage, and HD usage will all share the same cap of 250 GB a month which I think is absurd since those are three different services. I don't have a problem with the 250 GB cap if it's just for High Speed Internet usage only and if the cap is adjusted in years to come to accommodate for new technologies. As long as the DVR and HD services are Comcast's they are not counted in the cap.
If they are from a competitor, Dish or other legal sites that distribute legal video content, they ARE counted against the cap.
That is, in my opinion, they clear monopolistic behaviour that the FCC and the FTC will look into quite soon.
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sturmvogel
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said by AVonGauss : In my case, if broadband access were to suddenly disappear for an extended time (theoretical), I would have to move or find another means to support myself. I am sure sure you understand why Comcast cutting my Internet access for 12 months did put quite a burden on me.
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dadkins
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said by sturmvogel :said by dadkins :EDIT: Monopoly... I have *ONE* choice for power (gas and electricity) and water. How many do you have? Bad example Robb. Yes, water, gas and electricity are monopolies. That is why they are regulated. I have one choice of a broadband provider, which is a monopoly and behaves like one, in my opinion. I agree that it needs to be regulated. Please give more examples, they reinforce my position. Not a monopoly, can you see the sky? Satellite.
Ever hear of a WISP?
»www.part-15.org/maps/WISPLocate.asp?ID=TX
Google is your friend!
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sturmvogel
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said by wenter99 :said by funchords :Is 250 GB generous? No,... Is 250 GB acceptable? No... If it wasn't a monopoly (or duopoly) in most of its markets, than nobody should care what Comcast does. But since it wields monopolistic power, and is the largest Cable company to boot, then absolutely everyone ought to care. It's neither generous nor acceptable, so therefore it is unreasonable? It isn't really a monopoly. Dial-up internet service is available almost everywhere. Now, I know you and a few others are somewhat biased against Comcast because of history, but I'd bet most potential customers who are interested in subscribing to Comcast HSI residential, since the AUP was published the other day, would consider the cap and the AUP policy agreeable. Terry Yes, dial up is an excellent alternative. So are horses instead of cars and candles instead of electric lights.
Can I pay Comcast in food stamps and goat skins ? They are an alternative to money, too.
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sturmvogel
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said by wenter99 :said by funchords :Is 250 GB generous? No,... Is 250 GB acceptable? No... If it wasn't a monopoly (or duopoly) in most of its markets, than nobody should care what Comcast does. But since it wields monopolistic power, and is the largest Cable company to boot, then absolutely everyone ought to care. It's neither generous nor acceptable, so therefore it is unreasonable? It isn't really a monopoly. Dial-up internet service is available almost everywhere. Now, I know you and a few others are somewhat biased against Comcast because of history, but I'd bet most potential customers who are interested in subscribing to Comcast HSI residential, since the AUP was published the other day, would consider the cap and the AUP policy agreeable. Terry Most customers considered Bell's policies agreable, too. They had no choice until the government stepped in.
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dadkins
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said by AVonGauss :The question of whether or not broadband is a utility has quite a few ramifications, one of which you detailed which is how the billing could change, the other biggie being government regulations and taxes. The reason I am replying is I don't think we can call it a luxury any more. For quite a few years now, reliable broadband access has been necessary for my employment and also as a secondary use become my primary source of news and reference materials (technical, medical, hurricanes, etc.). In my case, if broadband access were to suddenly disappear for an extended time (theoretical), I would have to move or find another means to support myself. HSI for residential use is a luxury.
If you use broadband for work or business, then you need to buy or have your employer purchace a business connection.
Still not a utility.
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sturmvogel
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said by dadkins :said by sturmvogel :said by dadkins :EDIT: Monopoly... I have *ONE* choice for power (gas and electricity) and water. How many do you have? Bad example Robb. Yes, water, gas and electricity are monopolies. That is why they are regulated. I have one choice of a broadband provider, which is a monopoly and behaves like one, in my opinion. I agree that it needs to be regulated. Please give more examples, they reinforce my position. said by sturmvogel :said by dadkins :EDIT: Monopoly... I have *ONE* choice for power (gas and electricity) and water. How many do you have? Bad example Robb. Yes, water, gas and electricity are monopolies. That is why they are regulated. I have one choice of a broadband provider, which is a monopoly and behaves like one, in my opinion. I agree that it needs to be regulated. Please give more examples, they reinforce my position. Not a monopoly, can you see the sky? Satellite. Ever hear of a WISP? » www.part-15.org/maps/WISPLocate.asp?ID=TXGoogle is your friend! WISP is slow as dialup and unreliable.
DSL is the only comparable alternative to cable internet.
Not available in my area.
Until then, I have to fight to either get DSL here or break the monopoly the cable provider has over our neighborhood.
I will succeed.
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sturmvogel
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said by dadkins :said by AVonGauss :The question of whether or not broadband is a utility has quite a few ramifications, one of which you detailed which is how the billing could change, the other biggie being government regulations and taxes. The reason I am replying is I don't think we can call it a luxury any more. For quite a few years now, reliable broadband access has been necessary for my employment and also as a secondary use become my primary source of news and reference materials (technical, medical, hurricanes, etc.). In my case, if broadband access were to suddenly disappear for an extended time (theoretical), I would have to move or find another means to support myself. HSI for residential use is a luxury. If you use broadband for work or business, then you need to buy or have your employer purchace a business connection. Still not a utility. Comcast would not sell that connection to me, nor to others.
Show ONE "abuser" that was able to "upgrade" to a business solution.
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You're funny! 
You got booted for abuse.
You made the decision to abuse the system.
You make excuses about the other alternatives that are available to you.
No Monopoly.
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dadkins
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Hmmm... dialup speeds? |
said by sturmvogel :said by dadkins :said by AVonGauss :The question of whether or not broadband is a utility has quite a few ramifications, one of which you detailed which is how the billing could change, the other biggie being government regulations and taxes. The reason I am replying is I don't think we can call it a luxury any more. For quite a few years now, reliable broadband access has been necessary for my employment and also as a secondary use become my primary source of news and reference materials (technical, medical, hurricanes, etc.). In my case, if broadband access were to suddenly disappear for an extended time (theoretical), I would have to move or find another means to support myself. HSI for residential use is a luxury. If you use broadband for work or business, then you need to buy or have your employer purchace a business connection. Still not a utility. Comcast would not sell that connection to me, nor to others. Show ONE "abuser" that was able to "upgrade" to a business solution. That's because you were called and warned and plowed forward and got booted! No sympathy from me!
»www.prosky.net/products/resident···ex.html#
You do have alternatives, regardless of what you say about the speeds.
If you got booted from Comcast. who's your ISP now?
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wenter99
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| said by dadkins :You do have alternatives, regardless of what you say about the speeds. If you got booted from Comcast. who's your ISP now? I've actually been dying to ask that question myself.
Terry |
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said by sturmvogel :Can I pay Comcast in food stamps and goat skins ? They are an alternative to money, too. LOL! I suppose you could try. They'd probably cut your ass off again though, and ban you for another 24 months...
Really though, some of the arguments you've expressed here are so hollow that they're not really credible, IMHO.
That said, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you seem to be really be stretching it in many areas.
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said by sturmvogel : Comcast would not sell that connection to me, nor to others. Show ONE "abuser" that was able to "upgrade" to a business solution.
It seems like we've heard from several people here who got a call (maybe not THE CALL) and were told the needed to cut back or upgrade, and some chose to upgrade to business.
perhaps they didn't offer it to you because the sensed your aggresive "out to prove a point" attitude.
either way you may your own situation.
As far as I can tell you are correct that once cut off, nobody is offered an upgrade, i.e. the one year ban is strict.
satellite, WISP, dialup, dedicated line, are all likely available to you, less optimal then cable or fiber or DSL would be, but those are your choices.
You can expend a huge amount of energy/time being angry at ComCast, or you can move on. (the latter is probably healthier, and more productive) |
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sturmvogel
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said by wenter99 :said by dadkins :You do have alternatives, regardless of what you say about the speeds. If you got booted from Comcast. who's your ISP now? I've actually been dying to ask that question myself. Terry Sprint.
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dadkins
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| said by sturmvogel :said by wenter99 :said by dadkins :You do have alternatives, regardless of what you say about the speeds. If you got booted from Comcast. who's your ISP now? I've actually been dying to ask that question myself. Terry Sprint. Sprint? DSL? Embarq?
Apparently you do have a connection so move on already! 
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Coollikethat
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said by sturmvogel :As long as the DVR and HD services are Comcast's they are not counted in the cap. If they are from a competitor, Dish or other legal sites that distribute legal video content, they ARE counted against the cap. That is, in my opinion, they clear monopolistic behaviour that the FCC and the FTC will look into quite soon. That makes even less sense. Is Tivo (non-Comcast) included in this too? How can other services (Dish, DirecTV, etc.) be included in the Comcast High Speed Internet usage cap of 250 GB a month if they use different connections for service? It makes absolutely no sense at all.
Comcast High Speed Internet has it's own dedicated cable line. What does that dedicated line have to do with Dish, DirecTV, or Tivo? They don't share the same line. |
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sturmvogel
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said by dadkins :That's because you were called and warned and plowed forward and got booted! No sympathy from me! » www.prosky.net/products/resident···ex.html#You do have alternatives, regardless of what you say about the speeds. If you got booted from Comcast. who's your ISP now? Let's get clear here.
I got the call. I asked how much I should cut down the consumption and was not told a number, or even a percentage.
I asked to upgrade to business class and was denied.
I used almost nothing the next month then I switched to Earthlink.
My usage the next month was about 30% percent less than the "problematic" month.
Comcast cut my access.
When I asked Earthlink what was going on they could not convince Comcast to turn the access back on.
No monopoly, of course.
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bondo
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said by MichaelG123 :
So, which is it:
250 GB per calendar month
OR
250 GB per billing cycle
How can we find this out definitively?
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sturmvogel
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said by tshirt :said by sturmvogel : Comcast would not sell that connection to me, nor to others. Show ONE "abuser" that was able to "upgrade" to a business solution. It seems like we've heard from several people here who got a call (maybe not THE CALL) and were told the needed to cut back or upgrade, and some chose to upgrade to business. perhaps they didn't offer it to you because the sensed your aggresive "out to prove a point" attitude. either way you may your own situation. As far as I can tell you are correct that once cut off, nobody is offered an upgrade, i.e. the one year ban is strict. satellite, WISP, dialup, dedicated line, are all likely available to you, less optimal then cable or fiber or DSL would be, but those are your choices. You can expend a huge amount of energy/time being angry at ComCast, or you can move on. (the latter is probably healthier, and more productive) My attitude was not aggressive, it was firm and clear. Your suppositions do not make up for the lack of being able to show ONE subscriber that was able to "upgrade" once he got the call.
Seems like this issue of the lack of potential upgrade will become contentious. You may want to get your proof soon.
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