DaveNJ
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| TW should have to buy all those tivos back
TW should have to buy back all those TIVOs, that should be there punishment. The cable industry is just too cavalier in actions to their customers. Why create a standard, which is provided by the industry, then allow dozens of manufacturers to make equipment. Then a few years later decided to obsolete it, And then not follow a compatible standard. Its like the cable industry likes to chase its own tail.
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MacLeech
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4 edits | The industry did provide a standard for 2-way, which CableCARD is a part of, a few years ago called OpenCable. It was created by the same organization that created the DOCSIS spec.
The hardware spec of OpenCable is called CHILA (CableCARD Host Interface License Agreement), the software spec is OCAP (OpenCable Application Platform). It was recently renamed tru2way.
The first CHILA licenses were issued back in 2005: »findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m···15956251
The specs are available (»www.opencable.com/specifications/) but Tivo didn't bother to build their equipment to be compatible with the needed ones.
The TivoHD and Tivo S3 are built crippled at the factory and not by TWC.
P.S. TWC and the major cable companies have been buying and deploying equipment and software built to these specs at least since the FCC passed the "integrated security ban" in the middle of last year if not longer. That is how TWC is able to give customers 2-way enabled CableCARD boxes which work with SDV as mentioned in the original article this "news" story came from. |
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Steve Mehs
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TW should have to buy back all those TIVOs, that should be there punishment. The cable industry is just too cavalier in actions to their customers. Why create a standard, which is provided by the industry, then allow dozens of manufacturers to make equipment. Then a few years later decided to obsolete it, And then not follow a compatible standard. Its like the cable industry likes to chase its own tail.
Likewise should DirecTV have to buy back all their HD DirecTiVos since they're not MPEG 4 compatable, and should Dish have to buy back all their 921s for the same reason? Many satellite HD DVRs were sold to customers that can hardly get any HD channels from their satellite provider because the satellite companies moved to a new compression scheme?
What yopu suggest is just plain retarded.
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DaveNJ
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| said by Steve Mehs  : quote:
TW should have to buy back all those TIVOs, that should be there punishment. The cable industry is just too cavalier in actions to their customers. Why create a standard, which is provided by the industry, then allow dozens of manufacturers to make equipment. Then a few years later decided to obsolete it, And then not follow a compatible standard. Its like the cable industry likes to chase its own tail.
Likewise should DirecTV have to buy back all their HD DirecTiVos since they're not MPEG 4 compatable, and should Dish have to buy back all their 921s for the same reason? Many satellite HD DVRs were sold to customers that can hardly get any HD channels from their satellite provider because the satellite companies moved to a new compression scheme? What yopu suggest is just plain retarded. Well your a TW loyalist, Plus why would the cable industry release a standard it knew if was going to end soon anyway. They knew they were going to hurt the customer from the beginning. The cable industry should pay to replace or buy back all the non compatible tv sets, and tivos.
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MacLeech
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| said by DaveNJ :why would the cable industry release a standard it knew if was going to end soon anyway. Why would the standard end soon? |
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DaveNJ
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| said by MacLeech :said by DaveNJ :why would the cable industry release a standard it knew if was going to end soon anyway. Why would the standard end soon? Because all Cable card devices are not compatible with PPV and VOD. The tru2way standard is now the new standard. The original version of cable card was broken intentionally, so cable could control all aspect of hardware.
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MacLeech
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2 edits | Did you completely ignore my first post?
tru2way is not a new standard. It's a new name for a standard thats a few years old.
The original version of CableCARD was broken by the FCC and CEA in that they only required 1-way support from the CE makers in the equipment so it could be built cheaper and not have build 2-way equipment that CableCARD ALWAYS supported as part of the entire standard.
said by DaveNJ :Because all Cable card devices are not compatible with PPV and VOD. Wrong. The cable boxes bought and issued by cable companies since the FCC integrated security ban went into effect are 2-way enabled CableCARD cable boxes that work with SDV and VOD. They are built to a 2-way cable spec that is a few years old. |
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Steve Mehs
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Why would the satellite industry release MPEG 2 only HD DVRs when they knew they'd be moving to MPEG 4 eventually.
What can't you get through your skull, technology changes, things become outdated at a rapid pace. Deal with it and move on!
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DaveNJ
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| said by Steve Mehs :Why would the satellite industry release MPEG 2 only HD DVRs when they knew they'd be moving to MPEG 4 eventually. What can't you get through your skull, technology changes, things become outdated at a rapid pace. Deal with it and move on! because there's outdated, and intentional outdating. The cable companies intentional released a product knowing full well, they would make it obsolete in a few years.
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DaveNJ
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said by MacLeech :Did you completely ignore my first post? tru2way is not a new standard. It's a new name for a standard thats a few years old. The original version of CableCARD was broken by the FCC and CEA in that they only required 1-way support from the CE makers in the equipment so it could be built cheaper and not have build 2-way equipment that CableCARD ALWAYS supported as part of the entire standard. said by DaveNJ :Because all Cable card devices are not compatible with PPV and VOD. Wrong. The cable boxes bought and issued by cable companies since the FCC integrated security ban went into effect are 2-way enabled CableCARD cable boxes that work with SDV and VOD. They are built to a 2-way cable spec that is a few years old. Released from the cable companies, not available to the customer. Wrong , its 2 different things.
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MacLeech
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4 edits | said by DaveNJ :Released from the cable companies, not available to the customer. Wrong , its 2 different things. No. They were made by 3rd party companies (Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Samsung, Panasonic, etc.) and purchased by the cable companies, who in turn have rented them out to customers.
Sorry those 3rd parties didn't sell their equipment through retail. They've been busy selling everything they make to a reliable purchaser (MSOs) who wants as many as can be produced as quick as they can be produced.
Why didn't Tivo make their boxes to the same specs some of the other CE makers have been? Why did Tivo cripple their own boxes? Tivo has had YEARS to make them 2-way spec compliant AND could've sold them through retail. Instead Tivo customers are stuck waiting for a new box made to a new "tuner adapter" spec since Tivo didn't build their gear compliant with the first spec.
Oh well... Tivo saw the light... a little late for most of their customers though:
»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6506184.html |
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