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Re: One of the other battles currently going on against Bell...
said by sbrook  :Bell Aliant covers the maritimes ... it doesn't cover ON and QC, except in as much as Bell Canada has essentially brought Aliant into ON and QC to do some of the work it did itself in the past. Thinking the Aliant name was mostly just used in a Trust structural play for tax purposes.
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sbrook
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Bell Aliant covers the maritimes ... it doesn't cover ON and QC, except in as much as Bell Canada has essentially brought Aliant into ON and QC to do some of the work it did itself in the past. |
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Gokuu
join:2001-08-27 | reply to sbrook
Bell Aliant now appears to cover NB, NS, NL, PE, in addition to ON and QC.
»bell.aliant.ca/english/index.asp |
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sbrook
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Let's see, we had the regional telcos ...
? (NFLD)
Island Tel (PEI)
Maritime Tel & Tel (NS)
NB Tel (NB)
Bell Canada (QC, ON)
MTS
Sasktel
AGT (alberta)
BCTel
Plus we had (have) a number of small independents like Thunder Bay.
So, no, MTS was not a small independent ... they were Manitoba's Regional telco. |
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cfraser
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And my point is they are doing whatever they *say* they're doing only to help themselves. *If* it happens to impact on Bell's designs, that is strictly a byproduct and not to be construed as helping "us". IOW, I'm saying the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend... All opinion of course.  |
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mlerner
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said by sbrook :MTS is a small independent telco???? PARDON???? Compared to Bell Canada, yes, Manitoba Telephone System is comparatively small, serving only the province of Manitoba, but they are still a significant player. Before Allstream they were only significant in Manitoba.
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sbrook
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MTS is a small independent telco???? PARDON????
Compared to Bell Canada, yes, Manitoba Telephone System is comparatively small, serving only the province of Manitoba, but they are still a significant player.
MTS was still big enough to buy out AT&T Canada to form MTS Allstream and thrust itself on the national stage.
Allstream provides residential LD and dialup internet services in Ontario. It is a major payphone provider and business telephone service provider outside of Manitoba. It is also a major BUSINESS services DSL provider outside Manitoba.
MTS Allstream never was "small" and is now a major player, so their involvement in getting Bell to play with more reasonable rules could have some very interesting side effects! Go MTS Go! |
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mlerner
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said by cfraser :I am shocked anybody thinks MTS Allstream would do anything to help anybody except themselves. To think they are "better" than Bell and more believable in their pronouncements would be a huge mistake based on their past behavior. It must be because they don't get the press in Ont/Que that they do out west... MTS is a small independent telco, they have no need to get involved in business elsewhere. With Allstream however, they serve many big businesses so they need to be involved in these issues.
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Maynard G Krebs
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said by Bellundo :
What has this got to do with anything? Right now we're seeing newsgroup service being dropped by many isps in America. We know kiddy porn has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Now soon we're going to see if the isp's reduce the subscription prices like Canada didn't do or if these American isp's get sued for dropping usenet service and not reducing the subscription rates.
Some of the dropping of newsgroups is that in litigation-happy USA if 12-year old Junior accesses porn newsgroups you could have your ass sued. If the ISP doesn't offer newsgroups then the liability shifts to the customer who must subscribe to his/her own service. |
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cfraser
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| reply to R0CKY
I am shocked anybody thinks MTS Allstream would do anything to help anybody except themselves. To think they are "better" than Bell and more believable in their pronouncements would be a huge mistake based on their past behavior. It must be because they don't get the press in Ont/Que that they do out west... |
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CanerisErik
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said by R0CKY :said by mlerner :As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale. Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL. They do that and a lot more, including non-DSL connectivity solutions. |
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Bellundo
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What has this got to do with anything? Right now we're seeing newsgroup service being dropped by many isps in America. We know kiddy porn has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Now soon we're going to see if the isp's reduce the subscription prices like Canada didn't do or if these American isp's get sued for dropping usenet service and not reducing the subscription rates. |
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mlerner
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said by R0CKY :said by mlerner :As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale. Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL. Ahh.. I'm only familiar with their VoIP services.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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said by mlerner :As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale. Believe they do Business/Corporate class DSL.
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mlerner
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As long as it's reasonable pricing, I'm all for it. It's interesting that MTS is getting into this battle, I don't think even Allstream does wholesale.
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R0CKY
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Chatham, ON | reply to j3richo
I believe as an essential service status many things would change, from pricing to the way services are treated and handled.
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j3richo
join:2007-12-08
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so how exactly would this affect 3rd party ISPs if it is granted? is it just a price change or does it give you guys more control? would it affect the throttling\metering issue? |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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One might notice discussions about there no longer being any investments happening in ATM stuff.... Odd that the majority of the arguments in the throttling case revolve around capacity issues on ATM.
Still wonder how the non-ATM side of Bell's infrastructure, where they've spent millions on, is doing on capacity as it has yet to be discussed or disclosed!
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R0CKY
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| MTS has been leading another battle in the middle of all of this that could have some pretty serious impact.
»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···7266.htm
In this Application to the CRTC, MTS Allstream asks that the Commission reclassify Aggregated ADSL Access services as essential. If granted, the Commission would order ILECs to change the pricing of Aggregated ADSL Access services to reflect essential facility principles, namely that the service be priced at Phase II costs plus a fixed mark-up of 15 per cent.
In support of its Application, MTS Allstream points out that in Bell’s 150508 Application with respect to ADSL Access service (such as Bell’s GT 5400 service and as distinct from Aggregated ADSL Access service), Bell indicated that it would be too costly and inefficient from a network provisioning perspective for it to comply with the Commission’s order in Decision 2008-17 that Bell provide ADSL Access service at each central office in order to address the problem of users served via fibre-fed remotes. MTS Allstream also pointed out that aside from the problem of remotes, the ADSL Access service included an outmoded ATM-based interface. Furthermore, MTS Allstream pointed out that in Decision 2008-17, the Commission found as a fact that it was not economically feasible for competitors to co-locate in each central office and that in the majority of cases, there were no viable alternatives to access end-users other than through the ILECs’ Aggregated ADSL Access services and the cable-company provided third party Internet access (TPIA) services.
In light of the foregoing, MTS Allstream submitted that until such time as ADSL Access service is made available in a way that overcome both the problem of remotes and the problem of the outmoded ATM-based interfaces, MTS Allstream submitted that Aggregated ADSL Access services should be classified as essential.
This one could be interesting to follow, specially with all the abuse on the GAS/5410 side of things right now....
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