Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
4 edits | reply to despe
Re: Acanac
Just got back from the conference and here is what Bell is proposing.
512Kbps service will be limited to 2GB per month
5Mbps service will be limited to 60GB per month
They did not disclose what the overcharges will be, but don't expect it to be cheap. Simply put DSL as we know it right now will no longer exist.
We find this proposal to be totally unexceptable. The only good news is that it will not affect current clients. So as long as you don't change ISP's you can keep your current unlimited connection. Bell proposes to start shadow billing in October and usage based billing in Jan of 2009.
This has given me a new sense urgency to setup our own equipment at the CO. I will be approaching a few other ISP in the next little while to see if we can come to some type of agreement. We prefer not to do this alone.
As for having control of the profile: They hope to offer us this ability towards the end of the year.
Best Regards,
Paul
www.acanac.ca |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
 ·Colbanet
1 edit | And is control over the profile tied to the usage-based billing? I hear that they've been promising wholesalers control over profiles for several years now and have yet to actually do anything.
This would really suck for me. I'm not exactly a "heavy" user. I have a 200GB cap and tend to use 100-150GB per month. But I'd still go way over a piddly little 60GB cap...
EDIT: Wholesalers forming an alliance to share colocated DSLAMs is an interesting idea, and it'd be great for me, being directly connected to the Atwater CO (one of the main downtown Montreal COs). But it'll suck for everybody on remotes... On the other hand, I guess building your own remotes would be easier as a group. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to Acanac Inc
Is that even allowed under the regulations?Somethin doesn't seem legal in all this. |
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CanerisErik
Caneris
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
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said by Guspaz  :On the other hand, I guess building your own remotes would be easier as a group. *IF* the CRTC forces Bell to allow placing remote xSLAMs just like the Stingers Bell puts on the side of their OPIs. |
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Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON | Forming an alliance in my opinion is the only real longer term solution. We need to make Bell think twice before they come up with these ridiculous ideas. The only way to do this is to offer real compationtion. |
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Jaggie
join:2007-08-09
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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Wow Wow Wow what a bunch of scumbags bell is.
There trying to limit there Wholesalers to the same low *** caps they impose on there own customers but at a slower speed. Don't see what give them the right to do so since u guys don't buy your bandwith off them.
If this was to go though the only difference between Wholesalers and Bell would be Tech Support and slower "UP TO" then what bell offers atm.
Also seeing how there 7Meg DSL is now $42 and 10Meg With 100GB is $52, These steps bell is taking look more and more anti-competitive everyday as they try to kill off Wholesalers something needs to be done. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Thats why I asked if it's legal under the regulations inplace now.May need to launch a lawsuit or somethin. |
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Jaggie
join:2007-08-09
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
2 edits | reply to Newbies
Bell's Next Step:
Telling wholesalers the have to offload there call support to India so bell can compete with Acanc/Teksavvy/Ebox etc... far Superior call centers.
This seems to be bell's new line of thinking in competing with there wholesale brotherins. THROTTLE/CAP/CRIPPLE so they offer roughly the same service as sympatico does or til wholesalers fizzle out and fade away leaving only Bell.
You can bet if bell had it's way there would be no wholesalers just Bell and a few Resellers like Robbers. |
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TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | reply to Newbies
So this idea has to go before the CRTC first before bell can do it right? They may tell bell to fork off on the idea. |
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dataiv
join:2002-02-25
Ottawa, ON
 ·Cogeco Voip
 ·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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Jaggie, hate to nitpick, but you have a few posts in this thread already and you keep using "there" in every single post ...
said by Jaggie :Telling wholesalers the have to offload there call support to India so bell ... ... Telling wholesalers they have to offload THEIR call support ...
said by Jaggie :You can bet if bell had it's way there would be no wholesalers just Bell and a few Resellers like Robbers. You can bet if bell had ITS way there would ... (if you write "it's", just think of it as meaning "it is" ... so does "if bell had it is way there would ..." make any sense? not really.
But basically,
The boy went over there. The boy pointed over there. The boy lived in the Arctic. It was cold there.
vs.
The boy pointed at their house. Their office is too small. Bell tries to mess with their customers... etc.
Use "there" when referring to a concrete or abstract object, or when referring to a place.
Use "their" to indicate possession. So in the case of bell offloading "their" call support .. it is their call centre, so use "their".
End rant... Please, please, please try to use there/their/they're correctly. |
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jam_bongo
join:2002-07-17
Toronto, ON | reply to Newbies
you're saying it doesn't affect current customers, does that include people who signed up for service this month? |
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Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON | From my understanding it will only affect new clients as of Jan 1 2009. |
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mr_hexen
join:2007-08-02
Brampton, ON
1 edit | said by Acanac Inc :From my understanding it will only affect new clients as of Jan 1 2009. lets not forget how Bell likes to accidently change your account and then claim the "old deals" are no longer available.
you can bet THERE  will be some of those cases. |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
1 edit | reply to Acanac Inc
said by Acanac Inc :From my understanding it will only affect new clients as of Jan 1 2009. Again, is it legal within the tariff framework, for them to impose caps on raw data?
If so, how would that work? they bill the ISPs for total bandwidth? You have to tell them how many users you have? They get to record all your users communications?
This is outrageous!
Essentially what you are saying is that there will no longer be independents as of Jan 1st. It's will all be white label... |
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Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
1 edit | As for the legality that's for the commission to decide. I hope they will refuse it, but from the legal opinion's I have gotten it does not look good.
They will track the usage based on the circuit ID. We pointed out some potential problems with this method. One for example would be if a user where to get a second user name and password from a second provider. The primary provider would have no way to tell how much bandwidth this client would be using through out that specific month. The primary provider would only get a bill at the end of the period. Then the provider would have to pass on the bill to the client or absorb the cost.
In the end this entire scheme if approved will be a logistical nightmare. Bell's billing system is from stone ages and I don't expect it to get any better. |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
1 edit | They put down anything on paper yet for the unwashed masses to sift through? |
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ancodia
join:2006-07-10
·Cogeco Cable
3 edits | reply to Newbies
doesnt it strike anyone as odd that ALL the big providers are pushing a 60 gig cap? You can't tell me that with all the different infrastructures in place from various providers they all can only support 60 gig per customer. There is something going on behind the scene that is driving all this.
That said, the DSL providers need to join together, look at where all your customers are and get serious about installing your own equipment. I'd be more than willing to sign a 1 or 2 year deal with whatever provider can deliver using there own equipment. It's time to start driving in the final nails into the Bell coffin. |
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j3richo
join:2007-12-08
Gatineau, QC | reply to Newbies
paul, did they say anything about ADSL2+?
also maybe each ISP can "change" the current agreements to "lifetime contracts with no cancellation penalties" with their customers, I wonder if that would work lol |
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An0nym0us
@host36-server.com
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said by ancodia :doesnt it strike anyone as odd that ALL the big providers are pushing a 60 gig cap? maybe 'typical' (read 'low usage') bandwidth statistically peaks at 60gb/month (and some higher value for people that use p2p and stream things often). so they figure that browsing/email/etc is the 60gb peak and that's what they want their currently priced service to be used for. the new stuff: streaming/p2p/etc they want people to pay a premium for. |
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tiger9
join:2005-08-01
Ont,Canada | reply to Newbies
Goddammit, at this rate, Rogers will be competitive compared to Bell. That's sure not a good thing. |
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