Matt
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All I keep hearing about is how the iPhone has to be hacked to do this, jailbroken to do that, or this 3rd party app has to be purchased and installed. Why in the hell would anyone want one of these when there are cheaper phones that can do more? |
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theeinstein
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| Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. |
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A900MHz Fan
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| said by theeinstein  :Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. Yup, my XV6800 will do much more than the iPhone, but I did have to load a custom WM6.1 OS on it. After that process everything was fairly well ready to use though.
All of it is totally legal software wise and acceptable under the Verizon TOS.
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Matt
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said by theeinstein :Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. My last 3 phones would do tons more than the iPhone, including tethering. Moto V9M, Moto Q9c, and XV6700. Tethering, like MMS/SMS, is a staple of a cell phone. It baffles me why the iPhone can't do these simple things.
I guess if surfing the (limited, non-flash) web is important to you, then the iPhone is the way to go. That's its only real claim to fame. |
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fcisler
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»www.searchoctane.com/blackjack-2···ther.htm
Blackjack II. 6 steps. NO "unlocking" required. No special software.
Believe it or not - my Blackjack I (original) was the same.
Guess what? The AT&T 8525 was very simple too.
The AT&T Tilt...well what do you know? It also tethers...easily.
The iPhone is the minority here...most AT&T smartphones WILL tether very easily.
I also don't need to use a SOCKS proxy (somethings do NOT work through) and actually have valid DNS to use.
Knowing Apple, their theory was who needs to tether when we already GAVE you this wonderful phone? Pitiful... |
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Dogfather
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Because for a lot of people the iPhone is far superior to their WM counterparts for the services they do use.
There are those like me who have had multiple WM handsets, all of which sucked ass for lots of different reasons, tiny screen, frustratingly tiny buttons, horrid browsers, shitty email clients, etc.
And thankfully, for those who want to stay with WM, there are plenty of handsets to choose from, although in the US the iPhone outsells all of them combined.
The iPhone or any other device isn't going to be all things for all people. |
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FLengineer
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Re: Another limitation
MattE you forgot the best phrase of the instructions.
"it will do some internal magic" |
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Dogfather
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The XV6800 costs 75% more than the iPhone and at least my VZ so-called unlimited data plan which isn't unlimited adds $45/mo (50% higher than for the iPhone).
For some people tethering isn't worth that extra cost. |
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said by FLengineer :MattE you forgot the best phrase of the instructions. "it will do some internal magic" Or turn the phone into a pretty bricked paperweight. |
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iLive4Apple
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said by theeinstein :Very few phones on the market WILL do the things you talk about without some kind of manipulation. So try rephrasing your comment to include a slightly more believable argument. My $50 LG CU515 would tether to my MacBook via both USB and Bluetooth HSPDA speed with a $15 Medianet Unlimited plan right out of the box.
And now my Sprint PCS Touch will tether via BT to my MacBook as CDMA's Rev. A speeds which are comparable to AT&T's HSDPA right out of the box running WM 6.1 with just 3 adjustments to the registry. Oh and not to mention I get unlimited text, data, and 1000 minutes for only $50. |
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A900MHz Fan
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said by Dogfather :The XV6800 costs 75% more than the iPhone and at least my VZ so-called unlimited data plan which isn't unlimited adds $45/mo (50% higher than for the iPhone). For some people tethering isn't worth that extra cost. My 6800 cost me $250 with a 2 year contract extension. What is the contract life for the iPhone?
What is the price plan for 2100 anytime minutes, unlimited data, text, pix, and navigation?
Granted that 6800 users do pay more, but they do have more available to them as well.
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thevorpal
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I just gave up on my XV6700 for an iPhone. I find that the iPhone is worth much more than the xv6700 in terms of making the most features with the most usable format.
Now, with my xv6700 I could do many things, including remotely controlling my computer over the interface, I still haven't found an equivalent option for the iphone (if someone knows of one I'd appreciate it).
But for use as a phone, and not some sort of bulky modem with a screen, the iphone IS the better option. I barely used the xv6700 as a phone. It was so bad that I took to simply not carrying it as a phone anymore and borrowing my wife's cell when I needed to make a call. It was a PDA that could access the cellular networks.
I am a tinkerer. I love messing with the UI, and nuts and bolts of a computing product. The xv6700 was great for that... but like I said, when it comes to actually getting things done and doing it well, the iphone is a better option.
I still own my xv6700, I might sell it if I decide to jailbreak my iphone and develop my own apps for it. Or I might turn it into a touch panel controller for a car. It isn't bad hardware, just that the implementation of it doesn't even come close to what the iphone offers. |
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Dogfather
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I have VZ and they want $350 with 2 year contract extension and $45 for unlimited PDA data (same as I pay for my Treo) iPhone 3G is $200 with $30 for data (don't know what 3G txt plans cost) for a 2 yr contract extension. And neither my AT&T or VZ "unlimited" data plans are unlimited. Both have 5GB usage caps both state it's for browsing and email access only.
On my current iPhone I pay $20 for data and $10 for 1500 txt. I don't send "pix" with the iPhone since I can email the pic direct from the camera interface or upload it to my MobileMe (.Mac) gallery. I'm unaware of any "navi" charges with either AT&T or VZ. For my iPhone, RT traffic, locating, map based information (POI etc) and directions are obtained via the data plan via the Google Maps app, thus don't cost anything extra.
In total, my Treo and iPhone have similar minute and data plans and the VZ bottom line is higher.
6800 users don't have more, they have different. |
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MobileIESucks
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Yes, but iPhone users have Mobile Safari and Windows Mobile users have the crappiest mobile browser known to man. |
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said by thevorpal :Now, with my xv6700 I could do many things, including remotely controlling my computer over the interface, I still haven't found an equivalent option for the iphone (if someone knows of one I'd appreciate it). Mocha VNC Lite is available free in the iPhone app store and there is a full version that adds some feature for $6.
»www.mochasoft.dk/iphone_vnc.htm
Works awesome and OS X supports VNC serving out of the box. I run RealVNC Enterprise on my Vista machine and it was well worth the $50. The only problem is it doesn't support resolutions over 1680x1200 at this time because of a scroll window limitation of OS X Mobile (or whatever you want to call OS X on the iPhone). You can do larger resolutions, but parts of the desktop don't show up on the iPhone so some portions of windows appear outside the scroll range of the phone. For me it's not a big deal at 1920x1200 but it can be a PITA on my Mac Pro running 2560x1600. |
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Blackjack II. 6 steps. NO "unlocking" required. No special software.
Believe it or not - my Blackjack I (original) was the same.
Guess what? The AT&T 8525 was very simple too.
That's only because AT&T is too stupid to figure out how to selectively enable that feautre of the phone depending on the data plan you buy.
Other carriers support tethering but only enable it when you pay an appropriately high price.
Personally I don't need/want to tether nearly as much now that I have the iPhone. But should I need to, I just take my old blackjack and pop the iPhone SIM in. People warn that you get billed by the byte when doing that but it hasn't happened to me.
The socks proxy method is a quick fix. Now that iPhone 3G has a real data network, I expect someone will eventually port a real NAT implementation and small DHCP server to simplify the process.
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I dunno, My Nokia N95 does pretty much everything the iPhone does (plus much more) and you can buy them unlocked for $500 (and they're occasionally on sale for $400).
Yes, I realize that's more than the $199 for the iPhone, but if you choose a (or currently have) a less expensive plan than the one you're forced to purchase with AT&T, I suspect it works out to be cheaper in the long run (and you can use any service you like from any provider). Plus, I remember reading somewhere that an unlocked iPhone (8 gig) will actually cost more than an N95 (but I don't swear to the accuracy of what I read; I'm sure folks will jump in to straighten me out...  ).
And yes, the display on the N95 is smaller and it doesn't have a touch screen (which I don't want), but I also haven't had to hack anything to run the many, many apps out there for the Symbian OS and I seem to be able to do more with it than my friends who have iPhones (but they're happy with their purchase so that great!). |
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My thought exactly! I use the Samsung Instinct witch is a lot better than the iphone. Samsung’s phone can be tethered, it’s cheaper, Sprint’s plans are cheaper and the PCS network is way better than ATT’s GSM crap. And did I mention 3G is almost everywhere with Sprint! |
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aztecnology
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said by MobileIESucks :
Yes, but iPhone users have Mobile Safari and Windows Mobile users have the greatest mobile browser known to man - Opera.
I agree... |
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