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lev
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reply to GlobalMind
Re: Apple's tactics

Without revenue sharing, Apple isn't as motivated to lock people to AT&T. They no longer get a piece of the monthly billing pie. I'm sure they have to make a contractual effort to keep people on AT&T, but it's just not as important anymore. I doubt Apple would be suing anyone.

I think they're licking their chops to end exclusivity.


en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
Exactly... Apple gets their money up front. In that case, they should be promoting the hell out of the iPhone and selling as many as possible.
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Pirate515
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said by en102 See Profile :

Exactly... Apple gets their money up front. In that case, they should be promoting the hell out of the iPhone and selling as many as possible.
My big question is: what will be the deal with the no-commitment iPhones (the ones that they are eventually planning to sell for $600 for 8 GB one and $700 for 16 GB one)? Will they be truly unlocked and capable of being used with any carrier out of the box, or will you still need to sign up with AT&T, just without a contract and free to cancel any time without having to pay ETF?
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en102
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I doubt it.
I think the 'difference' is:

1. Retail (for those not eligible for upgrade subsidy) +$400 still requires contract
2. Black market locked (i.e. AT&T) - still need to use AT&T service, I suspect contract will not be needed (how can they ?)
3. Black market unlocked - won't get 3G service in the U.S. (no other carrier uses UMTS 850/1900 yet.. Cincinatti Bell should be soon). T-Mobile uses AWS spectrum - not compatible. You'll max at EDGE speeds, might as well get a iPhone 1.0
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voipdabbler

join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT

reply to en102
Re: I got bit by this

Actually, they guarantee additional revenues by doing things like sealing batteries in your phone. You're then forced to send it to them (I guess you get a refurbished unit or, for any of you Apple owners maybe you can clarify, you have to wait to get your old phone back). I really think if Apple wants to keep grow this product and keep reeling in revenue from it 2-5 years out, they're going to have to look to business enterprise needs. That means not doing stupid things like sealing in the battery (businesses aren't as willing to trade in equipment that may contain proprietary or intellectual property), locking you to one carrier and one technology (yes a lot of enterprises use AT&T, but many use other carriers, especially since GSM has a much more limited footprint in this country), offering more business productivity apps not so web-centric ("cloud computing" presents big issues for businesses--they've got a growing body of state laws that restrict the handling/access of client information, as well as restrictions on handling/access of information that may be subject to discovery in future civil litigation and restrictions on handling/access to protect intellectual and propreitary property--they will never be able to allow employees to store data on just anyone's server; IT security policies will limit where their data is stored and who and how it's accessed).


mahermusic

join:2001-07-06
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said by voipdabbler See Profile :

Actually, they guarantee additional revenues by doing things like sealing batteries in your phone. You're then forced to send it to them (I guess you get a refurbished unit or, for any of you Apple owners maybe you can clarify, you have to wait to get your old phone back). I really think if Apple wants to keep grow this product and keep reeling in revenue from it 2-5 years out, they're going to have to look to business enterprise needs. That means not doing stupid things like sealing in the battery (businesses aren't as willing to trade in equipment that may contain proprietary or intellectual property), locking you to one carrier and one technology (yes a lot of enterprises use AT&T, but many use other carriers, especially since GSM has a much more limited footprint in this country), offering more business productivity apps not so web-centric ("cloud computing" presents big issues for businesses--they've got a growing body of state laws that restrict the handling/access of client information, as well as restrictions on handling/access of information that may be subject to discovery in future civil litigation and restrictions on handling/access to protect intellectual and propreitary property--they will never be able to allow employees to store data on just anyone's server; IT security policies will limit where their data is stored and who and how it's accessed).
Batteries aren't sealed in the new iPhone 3G.
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Johnny
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Atlanta, GA

reply to voipdabbler
Haven't kept up with the news, I see.

You guys complain about Apple fanboys. You know what's worse? People who post using what they knew a year ago and who haven't read a damn thing about the topic in a year.

- wrong about being without your phone when you send it in
- wrong about the battery
- wrong about the enterprise
- wrong about applications being only web-centric
- unaware of remote-wipe feature in 2.0 firmware

Pathetic.

voipdabbler

join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT

LOL, Johnny. You're wrong about the battery on the iPhone--here's a link from Apple support telling you about how much you'll have to pay them to replace your battery. Apple Support Fees for iPhone battery replacement

The battery in the new generation 3G phone is still sealed (in fact it's more than sealed--it's soldered on to the phone). Your belief that the battery is user replaceable is fueled by wishful speculation on the web that the 2 small screws visible in the Apple video tour meant users could replace their own battery. Even if you are able to get the screws out, you're stuck trying to remove the soldered battery as well as re-solder a replacement.

And yes, enterprises aren't buying the iPhone as of yet--it's consumers driving the marketing right now.


Johnny
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Except it isn't soldered on, Sport.

You were wrong about everything else, since you haven't read any Apple news in a whole year, and you are wrong about the battery too. Have you looked at the tear-down sites? Of course not - too busy with an all-Microsoft universe, I bet. The soldered-on battery was last year.

It was just released 3 days ago - so of course enterprises "aren't buying it" yet, maybe. On the other hand, maybe they are. It has all the things that enterprise requested. Or did you miss the presentation by Apple on the phone a few weeks ago? We didn't.


mahermusic

join:2001-07-06
Chesterfield, NJ
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reply to voipdabbler
said by voipdabbler See Profile :

LOL, Johnny. You're wrong about the battery on the iPhone--here's a link from Apple support telling you about how much you'll have to pay them to replace your battery. Apple Support Fees for iPhone battery replacement

The battery in the new generation 3G phone is still sealed (in fact it's more than sealed--it's soldered on to the phone). Your belief that the battery is user replaceable is fueled by wishful speculation on the web that the 2 small screws visible in the Apple video tour meant users could replace their own battery. Even if you are able to get the screws out, you're stuck trying to remove the soldered battery as well as re-solder a replacement.

And yes, enterprises aren't buying the iPhone as of yet--it's consumers driving the marketing right now.
The batteries are NOT sealed. Do your homework before you post.
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GlobalMind
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July 16th, @09:18AM

reply to Johnny
said by Johnny See Profile :

It was just released 3 days ago - so of course enterprises "aren't buying it" yet, maybe. On the other hand, maybe they are. It has all the things that enterprise requested. Or did you miss the presentation by Apple on the phone a few weeks ago? We didn't.
Well it has many of the things enterprise was looking for and there will be more enterprise customers looking to the iPhone at this point.

Despite the number of devices sold early (any idea how many of those are folks who had 1st Gen phones and are replacing them vs net new customers?) - iPhone still has some work to do in the enterprise to get up to Blackberry levels of acceptance and use.

Here's a good article from Paul Robichaux who tested the iPhone as a corporate device to Exchange. He's an MS Exchange MVP and knows his stuff on the topic. Overall a good read.

»www.robichaux.net/blog/2008/07/t···vice.php

While we're talking about that MS only universe...later this year we'll see Domino support on the device, which then you'll have the two major collab players on the device.

In understand your frustration of those who don't know, but really, calm down a bit there bud. There have been how many Apple fans out there who bash everyone and anyone who dares to question an Apple device. Trust me, there are plenty of folks out here who are pretty tired of that.

Apple produces some cool sh*t, no question.
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