TK Junk Mail
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|  Need same law in U.S. as well
The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers.
And ignorance should not be an excuse for those households caught. No "my grandchildren or children did it". No "I thought I was only downloading and didn't know P2P uploaded as well". No "But I need it for my job" or other lame excuses. You get caught, you get disconnected.
And those caught should have their name & address added to a database so that other ISPs won't accept an account from them.
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Wow. Just... wow.
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Kearnstd
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no the MPAA and the RIAA need to stop their hardline tactics and refusal to embrace the 21st century.
P2P isnt causing them any losses that could be noticed, making absolute shit that nobody wants to see/hear is.
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cornelius785
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say...
are you a paid shill for the MPAA or RIAA? |
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DaveNJ
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Re: Need same law in U.S. as well
I disagree TK, the problem is that the studios arent making the material accessible to the customers, if it were easy just to LEGALLY go on your computer and download the content you wanted, people would choose it. But because of MPAA etc, this is caused. MPAA are there own worse enemies. |
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TK Junk Mail
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Re: say...
said by cornelius785 :are you a paid shill for the MPAA or RIAA? Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:
"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It’s a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It’s a substitute for thinking. It’s also 100% flawed reasoning: you don’t arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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Re: Need same law in U.S. as well
And why should it be the ISPs responsibility for what I CHOOSE to download or upload?
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Re: say...
What do you do about folks, such as I, who haven't bought an RIAA, or MPAA property in two, or three years? It isn't that I am not spending my money, nor that I am "pirating" what I listen to, or watch. But my money follows the good stuff. If the **AAs had stuff half as good as J-Pop, I'd be spending half as much money as I am; and spending it here in the USA, instead of sending it off to the Land of the Rising Sun.
Losses due to piracy my ass; they are losing because they are publishing stuff which isn't worth shit.
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"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity.
The term is applied metaphorically to commentators who have vested interests in or associations with parties in a controversial issue. Usually this takes the form of pretending to be offering news when in fact they are simply repeating "talking points" offered by a corporate benefactor.
Do you deny the fact that you get income from **ASSASS members? Do you deny the fact that ALL your posts are pro **ASSASS supporing?
If so, then by all logical definition, you ARE a shill.
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by karlmarx :If so, then by all logical definition, you ARE a shill. Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:
"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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Re: Need same law in U.S. as well
said by TK Junk Mail :The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers. And ignorance should not be an excuse for those households caught. No "my grandchildren or children did it". No "I thought I was only downloading and didn't know P2P uploaded as well". No "But I need it for my job" or other lame excuses. You get caught, you get disconnected. And those caught should have their name & address added to a database so that other ISPs won't accept an account from them. I agree the US needs a law, But getting Congress to act may take a while. And to others out there I don't work for anybody in the RIAA, MPAA or otherwise, Theft is Theft that's all, Just cause You can download something possibly stolen doesn't mean one should.
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Kearnstd
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The US doesn't need a law because it would never be operated properly and people would loose internet because of Illegally collected "evidence" by Goonsquads like Media Defender.
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myosh
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Re: say...
So I guess that means you are an RIAA/MPAA shill?  |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by myosh :So I guess that means you are an RIAA/MPAA shill? No. I'm not.
Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:
"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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myosh
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| LOL! Obviously, you didn't see the at the end of my post. I guess my attempt at sarcasm failed. Oh well.
But seriously, you *are* a shill aren't you? OK, OK, I won't say it anymore.
Have a nice day! |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by myosh :LOL! Obviously, you didn't see the at the end of my post. I guess my attempt at sarcasm failed. Oh well. But seriously, you *are* a shill aren't you? OK, OK, I won't say it anymore. Have a nice day! The smiley character doesn't come across well on text.dslreports.com when using a Nokia N810 internet tablet. Sorry for missing it. I am sitting outside on the deck and not using my desktop right now.
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Re: Need same law in U.S. as well
said by TK Junk Mail :The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers. Have you ever been wrongfully accused of a malicious act? Any law requiring imposition of sanctions (i.e., cutting off Internet access) should also require a standard of proof akin to, "beyond a reasonable doubt". As contrasted with merely recovering damage for a tort.
The MPAA/RIAA has a poor track record for presentation of accurate data in their allegations.
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