 krehldar
join:2006-04-20 Lakeland, GA
| What kind of antennae booster?
I am on the fringe and am usually getting -90 to -98db if position my um150 right. I am going to be getting a booster for it with hopes that will take care of all my staying at evdo issues? In doing so I was wondering, what is the difference between buying a booster from alltel for $199+ or going to EBay and getting say an 11dbm booster that is desktop/magnetic mount with cable and connector for $27.99?? -- HughesNet Pro/DW7000/AMC9/1370Mhz/0.74/1wat/XP Pro |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| With the Cyfre Amplifier/Antenna kit from Alltel you will see probably 15- 25 db Gain . The 11 dbm ( big lie) mag mount on Ebay will get you probably 3 -8 db gain at most. Every 3 DB is double the signal so there is a huge difference Ideally you want your signal between -65 and -75 for best performance. You should be under -85 to get any consitant performance . Lots of members here are using the Cyfre amplifier . Do a search and see if they are happy with their results -- www.MaximumSignal.Net |
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  mike82346
| You can also get the Cyfre on eBay. I picked up a new one there for $99.95. You will not regret getting the Cyfre. |
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  ssjeb50
@mi.us
| reply to krehldar I just picked up the UT150 to test in my home. I also was getting a RSSI level of about -90 to -100. Instead of going with an expensive signal booster, I picked up a yagi antenna (maxmost.com), which you will need with your booster anyway, mounted it in my attic (comes with 33' of cable), pointed it in the direction of the tower, and my RSSI level dropped to -78 to -83. My connection is solid and I am very pleased with the performance of the service.
You will also need an antenna adapter to go from your card to the external antenna. I picked mine up at mycellularsolutions.com |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| The kit sold by altell comes with a great antenna . Should not have to buy a yagi also as you have implied.
said by ssjeb50 :
I just picked up the UT150 to test in my home. I also was getting a RSSI level of about -90 to -100. Instead of going with an expensive signal booster, I picked up a yagi antenna (maxmost.com), which you will need with your booster anyway, mounted it in my attic (comes with 33' of cable), pointed it in the direction of the tower, and my RSSI level dropped to -78 to -83. My connection is solid and I am very pleased with the performance of the service.
You will also need an antenna adapter to go from your card to the external antenna. I picked mine up at mycellularsolutions.com -- www.MaximumSignal.Net |
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 leon007
join:2001-05-06 Leslie, MI
·HughesNet Satellit..
| Which kit are you referring to? From Alltel? Or the ones you sell?
I just got UM150 from Alltel and there is no 'great antenna'; the built in only works in 'city areas'.
Had to buy external yagi antenna to make it work (out in the sticks).
Still getting RSSI around -95dB, so still looking for clues on how to improve it... |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Alltel and Maximum Signal sell the same Cyfre CA819 Antenna/Amplifier kit. The amplifier kit will get you a big improvement over the -95 you are getting now. You can use the yagi with it but it has to be a dual band yagi
said by leon007 :Which kit are you referring to? From Alltel? Or the ones you sell? I just got UM150 from Alltel and there is no 'great antenna'; the built in only works in 'city areas'. Had to buy external yagi antenna to make it work (out in the sticks). Still getting RSSI around -95dB, so still looking for clues on how to improve it... |
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  tviles
@spcsdns.net | reply to ssjeb50 I just purchased a maxmost antenna (yagi) I cannot get any signal from it no matter where I point it. Does it require an amplifier / booster? |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Keep in mind with a Yagi you must have line of sight to the tower and it takes a great deal of time and patience to aim a yagi . If you do not have line of sight to the tower you are better off with an omni directional antenna. -- www.MaximumSignal.Net |
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  tviles
@spcsdns.net | Thanks for the quick reply, I really don't even know where to start in the aiming. at least with my sat dish I had a clue. OK I will go try again. I might have to take the laptop out with me tomorrow. |
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  Rural Installer
| reply to krehldar I've got a question, so far I've had the Ec228 for about 3 days and have been extremly happy with it. Mainly because it picks up EVDO out where I live!! woo no need for Hughes. Now the other thing is, I just picked up Rev-A the other day!! but, the RSSI that Ive been getting has never gone below -80db, and that includes right at the tower itself with a 100% signal and I went up to DC today and picked up Rev-A there also and it still only gave a -80db RSSI. What gives? Even when its on DO and 1x the lowest it gets it -80... is there something wrong? anything I can do to get it lower as in a booster or amp/antenna. I was wondering only because with trying it right at the tower and even in Washington DC and still only getting -80 if there was something wrong. |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
edit: August 23rd, @09:09PM
| Some devices display do not go below at set number it seems. At an RSSI of -80 you should be getting pretty close to top speeds most of the time . I really do not think you need to add an amplifier. A good omni directional antenna at the most is all you will really need to put you over the top said by Rural Installer :
I've got a question, so far I've had the Ec228 for about 3 days and have been extremly happy with it. Mainly because it picks up EVDO out where I live!! woo no need for Hughes. Now the other thing is, I just picked up Rev-A the other day!! but, the RSSI that Ive been getting has never gone below -80db, and that includes right at the tower itself with a 100% signal and I went up to DC today and picked up Rev-A there also and it still only gave a -80db RSSI. What gives? Even when its on DO and 1x the lowest it gets it -80... is there something wrong? anything I can do to get it lower as in a booster or amp/antenna. I was wondering only because with trying it right at the tower and even in Washington DC and still only getting -80 if there was something wrong. |
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  tviles
@spcsdns.net
| reply to tviles OK it's northwest, best reading I can get standing on the roof with yagi on a pole is -95. I am currently getting -90 using a mobile antenna in front yard four feet off the ground. Maxmost yagi, Sprint aircard. Cellgear mobile antenna. The 33 feet of coax concerns me at these freq's. The aircard can't be putting out much power and I wonder if it's getting burned up in 33 feet of RG-58 ??? |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
edit: August 23rd, @10:00PM
| Most of your gain from the antenna is being burnt up with the cable run . With those numbers and that cable run you definitley need an antenna amplifier antenna combo
said by tviles :
OK it's northwest, best reading I can get standing on the roof with yagi on a pole is -95. I am currently getting -90 using a mobile antenna in front yard four feet off the ground. Maxmost yagi, Sprint aircard. Cellgear mobile antenna. The 33 feet of coax concerns me at these freq's. The aircard can't be putting out much power and I wonder if it's getting burned up in 33 feet of RG-58 ??? |
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  ChoP
@windstream.net
| reply to krehldar Ok Fellows, I have been running a little test the last few days with a HyperGain 900 MHz 15 dBi Die-cast Grid Antenna. Let me explain the conditions in which the test was run.
Tropical Storm Fay has been sitting right over the top of my house for two days. We have had 74-mph wind gust with sustained winds of between 45-mph to 25-mph. The Cell tower is 9.89 miles away. We have had 21 inches of rain in the last two days.
I tuned the sucker in on the tower Thursday afternoon. Without an outside antenna hooked to my pc5750 card I get nothing. With an omnidirectional antenna with ground plane and without the amp inline the best RSSI I can get is 87 to 93 most of the time it runs 89. With the amp inline I get around 78 to 81.
I installed the HyperGain 900 MHz Grid Antenna with 50 feet of LMR400 and peaked the dish with no amp inline and the RSSI was between 78 and 80.
For the last two days during the storm it has maintained a 79 to 83. I think I lost signal maybe three or four times today, but usually it only lasted maybe ten to fifteen seconds and it would pop right back. I figure it was the 74-mph wind gust whipping things around that made the signal drop.
You dont have to have a line of sight for this Antenna, and I must say I am sold on it from the little experience I have had with it. Its the best Antenna for 900 MHz I have used yet. Its light and easy to put together but you would need to use it in a base station setup because it is 23.5 in deep x 39.3 in wide and is for 870 - 960 MHz but works well with the Alltel service I have.
Hope this helps, its easy to get confused when you first get into this stuff, as I found out! |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
edit: August 24th, @12:59AM
| The only problem I see is that Alltel utilizes 1900 mhz in a lot of areas now especially for 3G . So make sure your carrier is using 800 mhz in your area before purchasing it.
said by ChoP :
Ok Fellows, I have been running a little test the last few days with a HyperGain 900 MHz 15 dBi Die-cast Grid Antenna. Let me explain the conditions in which the test was run.
Tropical Storm Fay has been sitting right over the top of my house for two days. We have had 74-mph wind gust with sustained winds of between 45-mph to 25-mph. The Cell tower is 9.89 miles away. We have had 21 inches of rain in the last two days.
I tuned the sucker in on the tower Thursday afternoon. Without an outside antenna hooked to my pc5750 card I get nothing. With an omnidirectional antenna with ground plane and without the amp inline the best RSSI I can get is 87 to 93 most of the time it runs 89. With the amp inline I get around 78 to 81.
I installed the HyperGain 900 MHz Grid Antenna with 50 feet of LMR400 and peaked the dish with no amp inline and the RSSI was between 78 and 80.
For the last two days during the storm it has maintained a 79 to 83. I think I lost signal maybe three or four times today, but usually it only lasted maybe ten to fifteen seconds and it would pop right back. I figure it was the 74-mph wind gust whipping things around that made the signal drop.
You dont have to have a line of sight for this Antenna, and I must say I am sold on it from the little experience I have had with it. Its the best Antenna for 900 MHz I have used yet. Its light and easy to put together but you would need to use it in a base station setup because it is 23.5 in deep x 39.3 in wide and is for 870 - 960 MHz but works well with the Alltel service I have.
Hope this helps, its easy to get confused when you first get into this stuff, as I found out! |
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  tviles
@spcsdns.net
| reply to Max Signal I was wondering about this. Watching a amplifier that is forsale and they quote this: Frequency: 824 MHz-894 MHz, 1850-1990Mhz band Gain: Cell Site Controlled, Max 10/10 Max Output Power: up to 3 watts (Cell Site Controlled)
In real simple terms can you explain the Cell Site Controlled part to me? If I shoot a strong signal to a tower does it say: he is close don't send much signal back to him? |
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 Max Signal Premium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
edit: August 24th, @10:19AM
| Cell site controlled is how the makers of hardware driven amplifiers describe themselves. The amplifier is supposed to raise the power of the amplifier up or down based on distance user is from actual cell site. These amplifiers are detrimental to the cell networks because they never actually turn off when you are close to the tower. They also take excessive bandwidth in the processs of amplfying the signal and can knock other users off the network. These amplifiers can alson tend to amplify noise and give you a stronger but dirtier signal. The best amplifiers made use software driven amplification. They are invisable to the carriers tower management system , turn themselves off when close to a tower, do not effect other network users and do not amplify noise. said by tviles :
I was wondering about this. Watching a amplifier that is forsale and they quote this: Frequency: 824 MHz-894 MHz, 1850-1990Mhz band Gain: Cell Site Controlled, Max 10/10 Max Output Power: up to 3 watts (Cell Site Controlled)
In real simple terms can you explain the Cell Site Controlled part to me? If I shoot a strong signal to a tower does it say: he is close don't send much signal back to him? |
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 just2stoned Just2stoned
join:2006-02-06 Spring Hope, NC
| reply to krehldar How are ya'll checking these -90 to -98db stat at? I have the EC228 Huawei alltel usb card. I really really live in the boonies surrounded by tobacco fields and with my antenna attachment I get rock solid connections. I Play up to 3 accounts of EQ2 online at once with a 200-300 avg ping in any situation (24man raids). It's 95% EVDO RevA signal, but my downloads aren't that hot. My speeds are usually 20-50kb/s downloads and I dunno what the upload is but right now I'm updating EQ2 so I can't do a speed test. During the night it gets better up to 70-120kb/s.
I'm sure this db thing would be handy to see if I am out of optimal range. The service delivers when playing games and I'm cool with that but I'd like to get at least 1.5mb 50% of the time so if I need an amplifier to get this speed, I want to make sure my current setup is normal/optimal first. -- Vista Ultimate 64bit, 4gb G.Skill DDR2 800mhz, Athlon X2 6400+ Black Edition, 2x Diamond HD3870 512mb DDR4 PCIe2.0 (xfire), 650w PSU, 2x 200gb HDD, Antec 900 Gaming Case |
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