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| US Supreme Court says individuals have right to own guns
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from article The basic issue for the justices was whether the [2nd]amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia...
According to the article this "decision is justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history".
I don't own guns, but I find this a huge ruling... especially today with our 'war on terror'. On one hand we need/want security and peace of mind, but we also want our freedoms as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. IMO, this decision is creating more of a balance in the recent trend of giving up our rights. I'm sure some will differ. Thoughts? -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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  CatSnak Stick A Fork In Me, I'm Done Premium join:2001-05-06 Lakeside, CA | As a gun owner I think this is great and long overdue. |
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| reply to nirvansk815 The Framer's definition of a "militia" was an armed citizenry, not some organized state militia. Keep in mind what is always the first thing to happen when before a country is taken over by tyrants: the people are disarmed.
Any decision that bolsters our 2nd Amendment rights is fine with me. Maybe the next target can be our uber-liberal gun grabbing little friends to the North in Friscograd. -- It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. |
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| reply to nirvansk815 The SCOTUS reaffirmed the right for individuals to own firearms. Seems like it maintains States rights to regulate firearms...just not ban them altogether like the D.of C. did.
Here in California, Mayor Vi wants to ban .50-caliber & .45-caliber, military-style ammunition; licensing ammunition vendors; requiring anyone making ammunition purchases to do so in person; requiring gun-store owners to make regular gun inventories and report to local law enforcement; and outlawing installation of secret gun compartments in vehicles. All in an effort to battle gangs.
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| And as we all know, gang members are always the first to abide by these feel-good laws put in place by buffoons like Mayor Mechista-Reconquista.
That's why so many of them own fully automatic weapons. Y'know, illegal fully automatic weapons that only the popo can have in this State. -- It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. |
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| reply to dogma said by dogma :Well, they can have my Sig Sauer, when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. I am sorry Mr. Soylent Green, you died a little while ago...  As a non gun owner, I think this is a great ruling. On the other hand, I think the right of owning a gun should come with the responsibility to 1. register their guns (when I buy my Howitzer I will register it and place it proudly on my front yard for all of my daughters dates to see) and 2. prove that they know how and when to use them and store them. I see this like I see parenthood, some people really should not be parents, but, if they were educated some on it, they could still fail, the children would still become serial killers, but I would not have any guilt about it.  |
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| I agree about registering the guns. My pistols are registerd but my rifles aren't (I've had them for years before I moved to CA). It's kind of hard though to conceal a rifle. And when I am carring either of my pistols they are always in plain site unless being properly transported (in a locked case out of reach) in my truck. -- Founding member, 2002-2003, 2005-2006 Director of Communications, 2004-2005 Secretary for the Crunchenstein Project |
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| reply to nirvansk815 This essentially overturns the 9th Circus (not a typo) ruling that the 2nd Amendment is a collective right and not an individual right. That 9th Circus ruling has been the basis for upholding most of the state's draconian gun laws. My reading of the entire majority opinion leads me to believe that the state ban on military style weapons cannot stand. And my reading also leads me to believe that our commissars will have to make a choice between the shall issue concealed carry laws favored by forty plus states or open carry. That's because the right of citizens to bare arms was reaffirmed to mean carry in the majority discussion.
Fear not, our commissars will work tirelessly to find ways to get around the your rights, just as they have marginalized your vote. We can also count on the 9th Circus to ignore Heller to the best of their ability. Our own pistol packing Dianne Feinstein is very angry that the justices believe that constitutional rights apply to the people and not just the politically powerful such as herself. I think that we can count on her to redouble her efforts to shutdown all of those on talk radio that oppose her will.
said by CatSnak :I agree about registering the guns. My pistols are registerd but my rifles aren't (I've had them for years before I moved to CA). With the exception of evil looking rifles California has never required registration of rifles. When you go in the store to buy a rifle all they do is run your ID for a background check. They do not register the rifle or report the serial number to the state. -- "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." --FREDERIC BASTIAT-- Proud recipient of the Sean Hannity lifetime boot. |
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| reply to CatSnak said by CatSnak :I agree about registering the guns. My pistols are registered but my rifles aren't (I've had them for years before I moved to CA). It's kind of hard though to conceal a rifle.  And when I am carrying either of my pistols they are always in plain site unless being properly transported (in a locked case out of reach) in my truck. I find this topic very interesting because I know its roots are far reaching, but admittedly I am completely ignorant to the current gun laws in California or in the nation for that matter. I never realized one was allowed to carry guns around in public. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can point me in the right direction.
BTW, what kind of rifle do you have? The only guns I've used are a bb gun, a .22 rifle, a 10 gauge shot gun, and a 12 gauge shot gun. Naturally, I ended up shooting myself in the hand with the bb gun because:
1.) A bug landed on my leg 2.) It was the hand gun variety
and after pushing the bug off my leg I went to shoot not realizing my thumb was over the end:( After a few stitches it was all better though:) -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| reply to MotherNature said by MotherNature :The Framer's definition of a "militia" was an armed citizenry, not some organized state militia. Keep in mind what is always the first thing to happen when before a country is taken over by tyrants: the people are disarmed. Any decision that bolsters our 2nd Amendment rights is fine with me. Maybe the next target can be our uber-liberal gun grabbing little friends to the North in Friscograd. I share your sentiments. -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| reply to dogma said by dogma :The SCOTUS reaffirmed the right for individuals to own firearms. Seems like it maintains States rights to regulate firearms...just not ban them altogether like the D.of C. did. Here in California, Mayor Vi wants to ban .50-caliber & .45-caliber, military-style ammunition; licensing ammunition vendors; requiring anyone making ammunition purchases to do so in person; requiring gun-store owners to make regular gun inventories and report to local law enforcement; and outlawing installation of secret gun compartments in vehicles. All in an effort to battle gangs. Well, they can have my Sig Sauer, when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. IMO, you can't get rid of gangs, just like you can't get rid of terrorist; people will be people and no idea/law/ or person(s)will ever change that. There are however, influences of perceptions but that's a different can of worms. Now, I can see some benefit to buying ammunition in person because it would help keep it harder for children to buy it, but at the same time if parenting is bad at home it really wouldn't make a difference anyway. BTW, what the heck is military style ammo, and do you have any pics of your Sig? -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| reply to TheRul said by TheRul :said by dogma :Well, they can have my Sig Sauer, when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. ...As a non gun owner, I think this is a great ruling. On the other hand, I think the right of owning a gun should come with the responsibility to 1. register their guns (when I buy my Howitzer I will register it and place it proudly on my front yard for all of my daughters dates to see) and 2. prove that they know how and when to use them and store them. I see this like I see parenthood... Yet another database that holds millions of records? Our reliance on computers is getting deeper by the second. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but what would happen if this was hacked and records changed? Then it would be just a waste of storage space in some datacenter somewhere.
How would one show proof of your 'gun knowledge'? It sounds great in theory, but I can't think of any practical and meaningful ways to implement it.
I agree with your views on parenthood... it seems smart, educated, and loving parents are hard to come by these days. -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| said by nirvansk815 :said by TheRul :said by dogma :Well, they can have my Sig Sauer, when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. ...As a non gun owner, I think this is a great ruling. On the other hand, I think the right of owning a gun should come with the responsibility to 1. register their guns (when I buy my Howitzer I will register it and place it proudly on my front yard for all of my daughters dates to see) and 2. prove that they know how and when to use them and store them. I see this like I see parenthood... Yet another database that holds millions of records? Our reliance on computers is getting deeper by the second. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but what would happen if this was hacked and records changed? Then it would be just a waste of storage space in some datacenter somewhere. How would one show proof of your 'gun knowledge'? It sounds great in theory, but I can't think of any practical and meaningful ways to implement it. I agree with your views on parenthood... it seems smart, educated, and loving parents are hard to come by these days. We should already have that database. The current one that holds the gun registration data now...
As for the gun knowledge, it could be done in Community Colleges. they are run by the state, but seperate from idiots who run it. And I say let the NRA handle the instruction. They know more about how to handle and store guns, and from what I can tell, the NRA would not let someone "slide" on the gun tests. |
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| reply to nirvansk815 said by nirvansk815 :I agree with your views on parenthood... it seems smart, educated, and loving parents are hard to come by these days. They have always been rare. It is surprising that the human race has made it as far as we have. |
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| reply to sholling said by sholling :This essentially overturns the 9th Circus (not a typo) ruling that the 2nd Amendment is a collective right and not an individual right. That 9th Circus ruling has been the basis for upholding most of the state's draconian gun laws. My reading of the entire majority opinion leads me to believe that the state ban on military style weapons cannot stand. And my reading also leads me to believe that our commissars will have to make a choice between the shall issue concealed carry laws favored by forty plus states or open carry. That's because the right of citizens to bare arms was reaffirmed to mean carry in the majority discussion. Fear not, our commissars will work tirelessly to find ways to get around the your rights, just as they have marginalized your vote. We can also count on the 9th Circus to ignore Heller to the best of their ability. Our own pistol packing Dianne Feinstein is very angry that the justices believe that constitutional rights apply to the people and not just the politically powerful such as herself. I think that we can count on her to redouble her efforts to shutdown all of those on talk radio that oppose her will. said by CatSnak :I agree about registering the guns. My pistols are registerd but my rifles aren't (I've had them for years before I moved to CA). With the exception of evil looking rifles California has never required registration of rifles. When you go in the store to buy a rifle all they do is run your ID for a background check. They do not register the rifle or report the serial number to the state.
Fienstein's Office Responce »www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/···edff7133
And I happen to believe that Second Amendment does relate to the keeping of a militia. And I happen to believe that this is now going to open the doors to litigation against every gun safety law that states have passed assault weapons bans, trigger locks, and all the rest of it.
Unbelievably, this decision also strikes down the DC trigger lock requirement, which simply ensures that the gun wont be used by someone who steals it, or finds it, or doesnt own it.
I think this is a monumental decision. I am profoundly disappointed in Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, both of whom assured us about their respect for precedent...
For the record I'm a registered democrat but I think she overlooks the bigger picture with many of her conclusions. -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| reply to nirvansk815 (I'm patiently waiting for RangerTX 's response)  -- There's so much to be thankful for...How can anyone be sad? |
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| reply to nirvansk815 OK... found the beef... enjoy.
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| reply to nirvansk815 You can open carry just about anywhere but I wouldn't recommend doing it downtown or at the mall or someplace like that. I wear mine almost always at the ranch and when riding the horses unless we are riding in an area such as a county park that strickly prohibits firearms.
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Chinese Tokarav 9mm A. Uberti Cattleman (Colt replica) .45 revolver www.uberti.com Crossman 1845 .177 cal revolver (bb gun) -- Founding member, 2002-2003, 2005-2006 Director of Communications, 2004-2005 Secretary for the Crunchenstein Project |
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| said by CatSnak :You can open carry just about anywhere Subject to local regulations, and there ain't many cities/towns/whatever that allow open carry. On private property or out in the middle of nowhere, different story. -- It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. |
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| reply to nirvansk815 quote: WASHINGTON The Supreme Court declared for the first time on Thursday that the Constitution protects an individuals right to have a gun, not just the right of the states to maintain militias. - NY Times
This is a really big deal. The question of whether ownership of firearms is a state right granted only to the militiamen that the state chooses or an individual, personal right of each citizen is, finally, answered.
I am surprised that it was so close. -- Cordially,
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