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Re: On the positive side; Rigas Sr will still die in prison
said by Qumahlin  :It's a shame because what does putting an 83 year old man in prison accomplish? Hopefully it deters some other old crook from ruining a bunch of people's lives thinking he'll walk because of his age.
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said by hobgoblin :"It's a good thing I am not God." Agreed I agree more   |
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"It's a good thing I am not God."
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said by TKJunkMail :Even with the reduction in sentence, the odds are still good that Rigas Sr will still die in prison. And his son will still spend the majority of the prime of his life in prison as well. So instead of getting out at age 98, he'll get out at 95? Outrage!
I agree with you. And I can't say I feel bad for him or his son. There are two things that upset me about this.
First, it is a waste of court time to reduce an 83 year old man's sentence by three years. What's the point, since in all likelihood he WILL die in prison?
Second, his son deserves the time he got.
What this family did was bankrupt a town and destroyed the financial well-being of thousands of hard-working and decent people. And why? So they could upgrade their personal jet? They are the scum of earth and should commit suicide on their own so that nobody has to pay for their rotten lives any longer. It's a good thing I am not God. |
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said by Qumahlin :So now tell me, what does it accomplish keeping him behind bars? I assure you it's not "justice". I'm pro locking up criminals for rehabilitation, i'm pro death penalty, but I will never agree with a punishment that serves no justice other then to please the public. Because it is a "punishment"/"penalty"/"revenge" or whatever you want to call it. Without punishing those who do damage to others, then people will then take the law in to their own hands.
So what is preferable? Locking him up or have those he harmed take revenge by shooting his sorry ass. For society, punishment serves a valid purpose - it stops people from taking revenge personally.
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said by digitalfreak :said by hobgoblin :said by TKJunkMail :Even with the reduction in sentence, the odds are still good that Rigas Sr will still die in prison. And his son will still spend the majority of the prime of his life in prison as well. I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that the Senior Rigas will die in prison and that is a shame. Hob Why is it a shame? Just because he was an old man when he committed the crimes doesn't me he should be treated any differently than if he was 20 years old. Like the other guy said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. It's a shame because what does putting an 83 year old man in prison accomplish? It would have been more fitting to simply confiscate all of his personal/family assets and leave him penniless, but free. Now YOUR tax dollars are being used to keep an 83 year old man behind bars.
Also have you ever visited someone in a low security prison similar to the one John is housed in at Butner? I have and I'll tell you right now while it's no vacation it's certainly nothing like any prison you may be thinking of.
So now tell me, what does it accomplish keeping him behind bars? I assure you it's not "justice".
I'm pro locking up criminals for rehabilitation, i'm pro death penalty, but I will never agree with a punishment that serves no justice other then to please the public. |
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Re: On the positive side; Rigas Sr will still die in prison
"Why is it a shame? Just because he was an old man when he committed the crimes doesn't me he should be treated any differently than if he was 20 years old. Like the other guy said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
Its a shame because I happened to know John personally.
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said by hobgoblin :said by dsless :Several small suppliers locally where I used to live also filed bk because of him and it ruined their lives. So there is not much sympathy for him. From investments? Or unpaid debt from Adelphia to them? Hob Unpaid debts from Adelphia.
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said by hobgoblin :said by TKJunkMail :Even with the reduction in sentence, the odds are still good that Rigas Sr will still die in prison. And his son will still spend the majority of the prime of his life in prison as well. I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that the Senior Rigas will die in prison and that is a shame. Hob Why is it a shame? Just because he was an old man when he committed the crimes doesn't me he should be treated any differently than if he was 20 years old. Like the other guy said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. |
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Just long enough to finish the golf course in the back yard? |
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said by dsless :Several small suppliers locally where I used to live also filed bk because of him and it ruined their lives. So there is not much sympathy for him. From investments? Or unpaid debt from Adelphia to them?
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Well Hobes he did the crime and gets the time. Several small suppliers locally where I used to live also filed bk because of him and it ruined their lives. So there is not much sympathy for him. |
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to CMoore2004
He's talking about parole. The appeals court reduction was for charges that were thrown out, and the appellate court could have tossed their entire sentence... but not likely. |
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That's odd, because 15-3=13 and 3/15!=0.1 |
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said by TKJunkMail :Even with the reduction in sentence, the odds are still good that Rigas Sr will still die in prison. And his son will still spend the majority of the prime of his life in prison as well. I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that the Senior Rigas will die in prison and that is a shame.
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said by elios :OR not... both will most likely get on on parole in a 2-3 years any way This was a federal case right? In case you didn't know, the most you can reduce your time in federal cases is about 10%. That means maybe an extra 1.2 years reduction for dad and 1.7 years for sonny boy. |
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elios
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OR not...
both will most likely get on on parole in a 2-3 years any way |
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Perhaps the reduction in sentences will create more room for more of their type. Buffalo views them as mere POS (and thats not Point of Sale) |
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