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shouldn't the cable co's be able to counter Verizon's ad's?
After all, they DO have more fiber than Verizon has..and will EVER have for that matter. And, they started the rollout TEN YEARS before Verizon ever apparently thought of the word...at a cost reportedly over FIVE times what Verizon will even spend when all is said and done. (100 Billion dollars)
But you think they shouldn't be able to talk about THAT?
If anything..they've been very silent about it in relation to what Verizon has been doing in trying to spout their next generation plans.
The fact of the matter is..the cable co's DO service every home with fiber optics..over a very effective network that produces speeds that the majority of Telco customers can only dream about today.
They don't need to go the last mile because their network isn't loaded with decades old twisted pair copper meant to deliver Aunt Bee's phone calls to Andy and Barney Fife.
Fiber..and a coaxial network..is a very effective next generation network. And combined with Docsis 3.0..will be able to compete with anything out there today..and in the future.
The cable co's don't have to pretend.
They have what the Telco's can only dream about today. |
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| Nice try Rick. You know they aren't technically lying, but what the cable companies have and what Verizon's FIOS is are NOT the same.
It's just cable's attempt to make people think they are getting what FIOS offers, and that is pretty much a lie.
Cable and FIOS are NOT the same, but cable would like you to think they are. |
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All cable companies and nearly all phone companies in North America only have FTTN (Fiber to the node) and not FTTH (Fiber to the home).
Hell not even all area's have DSL with FTTN and still run directly from a C.O. and not a street corner.
Cable companies have more Fiber then a wide spread Phone Company, I don't think so...
Didn't you know POTS exists today via fiber lines of all sizes and quanities. |
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said by Rick  :After all, they DO have more fiber than Verizon has..and will EVER have for that matter. Wow, just wow... Talk about making $hit up.
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Huh? Telcos have been using fiber since the late 60's/early 70's. Where've you been Rick?
Their current network has had more fiber than all the cable MSO fiber put together and strung end-to-end. Sure, they may not have FTTN just YET, but ultimately they will crush cable. For the last few years, telcos have resorted to xDSL to provide the apparently meager data rates they provide today. However, remember that telcos like ATT and VZ have been in the data business WAY longer than MSO's. Remember ISDN? T1/T3? Dialup? Hey guys, GSM/CDMA/POTS is data as well, in case you haven't noticed. And all that has been passing through, that's right.. telco fiber backbone networks. Even make international calls? Telco fiber again. Telcos were smart. They built their networks from the inside out and are now going to have the last laugh. Cable has enjoyed a smooth ride for the last decade, thanks to the marginal advantages of coax, but the party's over, and it's time to join the big boys..... |
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said by NetAdmin :said by Rick :After all, they DO have more fiber than Verizon has..and will EVER have for that matter. Wow, just wow... Talk about making $hit up. Rick has a problem with reality as far as Cable is concerned. Kinda like Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field, only turned inside out... |
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June 25th, @04:06PM
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Of course they're lying just like they lied in their web hog counter-advertising.
said by Time Warner Ad :
Now you can get an Internet connection that's really fast for less than you would ever expect! Start enjoying all the technology that Time Warner Cable has to offer by adding High-Speed Online.
Go fast with Standard
Our Road Runner Standard is plenty speedy at 6 Mbps— 7x faster than DSL 786k! Now that's what we call fiber-optic-fast. And at just $29.95/month for 12 months, it's easy on the wallet, too.
Or go blazing fast with Turbo!
There's fast, and then there's the lightning-quick fiber-optic speed of our Road Runner Turbo 10 Mbps— 13x faster than DSL 768k! It's also affordable, at only $39.95/month for 12 months. It's so fast, it makes DSL look like smoke signals.
Fine Print:
ALL PRODUCTS: OFFER AVAILABLE TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SERVICEABLE AREAS. All services may not be available in all areas. Offer available to customers who add High Speed Online to their Digital Cable and/or Home Phone. Discounted service applies to the 12 month promotional period only; thereafter standard monthly fees apply. Offer is non transferable and may not be combined with other offers and/or discounts. Offers are subject to change w/out notice. Some restrictions apply. Call for more details. Offer valid for customers who haven't had a promotional offer in the past six months and/or are not in a non-pay account status. Offer expires 30 days from mailing. ©2008 Time Warner Cable, Inc. All Rights Reserved. HIGH–SPEED ONLINE: Installation fee(s) of $19.95 applies if not combined with Digital Cable and Home Phone. Not available in all areas. Actual speeds may vary. DSL speed claim is based on Road Runner's Standard 6.0Mbps download speed versus Verizon's advertised DSL 768K package. Security software is currently not available for Macintosh computers. Internet Security Suite software must be downloaded on Road Runner and registration is required. Terms and conditions of this offer are subject to change at the discretion of Road Runner and/or CA at any time. Not all Road Runner products and services are available to customers using the Microsoft® Windows Vista™ operating system.
It ain't fiber-optic fast...that is unless TWC rolled out a 50Mb/20Mb tier no one knows about.
said by More TWC lies :
Time Warner Cable, the company that was first at fast and first at fiber optics, is increasing your speed again. We’re doubling it in the new year … for no extra cost.
In the first quarter of 2007, Road Runner will be doubling the download speed for its residential customers to 10 Mbps. Our Time Warner Cable Business Class customers will experience similar increases in speed.* The same monthly price that you’ve been paying will stay the same.
Increased speed. Same price. Great deal.
We haven’t told the media yet. This is a special notice directly to you, our loyal and valued Road Runner customer. In the coming weeks, you’ll see more information about this exciting improvement in your internet service.
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Rick
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said by ptrowski :Nice try Rick. You know they aren't technically lying, but what the cable companies have and what Verizon's FIOS is are NOT the same. It's just cable's attempt to make people think they are getting what FIOS offers, and that is pretty much a lie. Cable and FIOS are NOT the same, but cable would like you to think they are. Make people THINK they're getting what fios offers?
Last I checked my CABLE speeds were running at 30,000k + on comcasts networks and I had great HDTV coming in on multiple sets.
My speeds are BETTER than many fios customers get even.
And this is on a Docsis 1.1 network..and not even the up and coming docsis 3.0 one.
Please..try to educate yourself before posting next time.
The ONLY reason Verizon is doing what they are doing..and taking a HUGE financial risk in doing so..is because the majority of their network is simply as antiquated as AT&T's is and loaded with ages old twisted pair.
The VAST majority of verizons network is still not upgraded to fios..and won't be for years.
Cable companies have every right to talk about that which they've been doing LONG before verizon ever got in the game.
And for anyone to suggest otherwise is simply wrong.
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kleinml
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Rick, Rick, Rick,
Come on man... cable companies can't possible claim to have been using fiber as long as the Bell Companies. Bell's have been deploying fiber in their Long Haul network since the late 70's or early 80's. The Bell's invented Fiber optics. Now I have no idea who has more because I have never seen data. But with 30 some odd years of deployment I think the Bells may have that won as well.
So NO the cable companies should not Lie. They should advertise on their true strengths. Things like only one Cable point of entry, easy to split and expand the network, things like that. All of which is a bit harder with Fios because everything has to run back to the ONT. But no they should not Lie. |
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All day, every day, no caps, no TS, no BS |
Your speeds aren't better than FiOS. Any FiOS customer you beat, it's 'cause they LET you by buying a cheap tier. Verizon doesn't resort to boost gimmicks, caps and traffic shaping to ramp up speeds to a level they can't support.
Even with boost, TWC customers barely reach a mid-grade FiOS tier in terms of download, and upload is no contest.
FiOS »/archive?cid=73
TWC »/archive?cid=31 |
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said by Rick :shouldn't the cable co's be able to counter Verizon's ad's? After all, they DO have more fiber than Verizon has..and will EVER have for that matter. And, they started the rollout TEN YEARS before Verizon ever apparently thought of the word...at a cost reportedly over FIVE times what Verizon will even spend when all is said and done. (100 Billion dollars) But you think they shouldn't be able to talk about THAT? If anything..they've been very silent about it in relation to what Verizon has been doing in trying to spout their next generation plans. The fact of the matter is..the cable co's DO service every home with fiber optics..over a very effective network that produces speeds that the majority of Telco customers can only dream about today. They don't need to go the last mile because their network isn't loaded with decades old twisted pair copper meant to deliver Aunt Bee's phone calls to Andy and Barney Fife. Fiber..and a coaxial network..is a very effective next generation network. And combined with Docsis 3.0..will be able to compete with anything out there today..and in the future. The cable co's don't have to pretend. They have what the Telco's can only dream about today. So in other words, you think it's ok for the cable companies to lie?
Or did you not know yourself that they are lying?
If cable and Docsis 3.0 were so good, they wouldn't have to propose throttling plans and caps. Docsis 3.0 is not able to beat FTTH. They want 100 MBps? Ok, Fios can deliver 400.
When I had Comcast, they did not service my home with Fiber Optics. They serviced the node I was on with that, but certainly not my home. Nor anyone else's.
You also inadvertently pwned cable without realizing it. You point out that they started 10 years before Verizon. With that head start, you'd think they'd be able to have a better infrastructure and to be able to do something about competing with FTTH. |
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When someone reaches a certain level of ignorance there is no possible way to reply to that person in a way that will show them just how ignorant their post is.
This is one of those posts. |
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said by Rick :said by ptrowski :Nice try Rick. You know they aren't technically lying, but what the cable companies have and what Verizon's FIOS is are NOT the same. It's just cable's attempt to make people think they are getting what FIOS offers, and that is pretty much a lie. Cable and FIOS are NOT the same, but cable would like you to think they are. Make people THINK they're getting what fios offers? Last I checked my CABLE speeds were running at 30,000k + on comcasts networks and I had great HDTV coming in on multiple sets. My speeds are BETTER than many fios customers get even. And this is on a Docsis 1.1 network..and not even the up and coming docsis 3.0 one. Please..try to educate yourself before posting next time. The ONLY reason Verizon is doing what they are doing..and taking a HUGE financial risk in doing so..is because the majority of their network is simply as antiquated as AT&T's is and loaded with ages old twisted pair. The VAST majority of verizons network is still not upgraded to fios..and won't be for years. Cable companies have every right to talk about that which they've been doing LONG before verizon ever got in the game. And for anyone to suggest otherwise is simply wrong. I am educated Rick. The cableads make people think they are getting fiber optic connections that FIOS offers.
FIOS offers FTTH, cable doesn't. Pretty cut and dry to me. Spin it how ever you want, you know what they are implying.
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Holly molly...I see that the Rick has posted at BBR alarms must have went off in Telco central and they've sent the crew in to try damage control.
Well folks..lets just let the numbers speak for themselves..shall we? Here you go..the results from my FIBER OPTIC/Coaxial cable connection.
22,000k + speeds..still humming along at 40Mb + files sizes.
This is BETTER than many people get even on fios today!
And the cable co's and namely comcast doesn't have a right to talk about THIS? Comcast has this virtually everywhere versus the very small footprint of Fios so far.
And this isn't even on a docsis 3.0 network yet!
I realize the pain at telco central is intense with the vast majority of your network running at dsl speeds on old twisted pair..but really. C'mon now..let's be fair to what the cable co's have achieved this last decade..Ok?
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Your comment made me laugh a little. I was trying to think of a way to reply to Rick's ridiculous post. You have summed up my exact thoughts. Thank you. |
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Wow a whole 40MB and you're barely at the mid-level FiOS tier even with boost gimmicks. Let's see the end of test512.
How's yer upload speed for a 40MB file? |
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Just because multiple people here point to the fact that cable companies are stretching the truth doesn't make anyone here to do "damage control".
One could say that you are doing the same thing for the cable industry.
I just find it funny that cable is now using the term fiber optics in their advertising since FIOS is gaining popularity. Looks at TWC's site. They specifically mention FIOS. You don't find that odd?
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said by Dogfather :Wow a whole 40MB and you're barely at the mid-level FiOS tier even with boost gimmicks. Let's see the end of test512. How's yer upload speed for a 40MB file? 1500 to 2000k.
You seem to miss the point entirely however.
The POINT is that my connection is a STANDARD cable connection..not a top tier Fios connection.
I mean.if you're going to try to compare apples to apples..why not compare fios's tier with the 50,000k tier people are posting about in the comcast forum.
For comcasts standard FIBER OPTIC/Coaxial connection to be delivering the kinds of results I posted above is outstanding and demonstrates exactly what i've been saying which is comcast and the cable industry has every right to be countering these Verizon commercials by saying exactly what they are saying...which is that Cable co's have been using fiber optics for YEARS.
If anyones ad's are misleading..it's Verizons..to some extent. And that is because so much of their network isn't fios..but rather plain old twisted pair.
Comcast, tw and others however..have had a huge fiber optic network for years.
Anyways..people can judge for themselves. I think clearly however my results posted above speak for themselves.
And the cable industry is right in saying what they do.
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That's what I get on my FiOS 20/20 tier. Now show us your upload speed 
Also, please take a picture of that screen once you've hit the monthly transfer CAP! |
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And yes, the results really DO speak for themselves, averaging 24Mb over 3000mi while running ARD |
And even with Boost, traffic shaping to free up traffic and all the other crap, you BARELY compare to a mid grade $53 Verizon tier that offers more than 2X your upload speed and can do it all day every day, no boost, no traffic shaping, no caps, no BS.
TWC tries to trick customers into think their network is as advanced as Verizon's new FTTH network, and it's not.
Rick, at what point do your boost speeds fall off? 80MB? 100? |
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