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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/740101"><b>psydfx</b></A> : I didn't even look at the traceroute.  You're probably right on the saturation, looks like that post came right around 6pm which tends to be the peak traffic times on the west coast.<br><small>--<br>the opinions expressed herein are my own and do not represent my employer in any way</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511337"><b>wyle</b></A> : The thing is - its the same route on the 30ms traces as the 86ms traces.  The one difference is the time it takes to get from hop 5 to hop 6 in sprintlinks network.  The transport between those 2 was probably a bit saturated..<br><br>5 30 ms 29 ms 31 ms sl-gw12-sea-10-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.113]<br>6 87 ms 86 ms 86 ms sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.93.66]]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:52:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/740101"><b>psydfx</b></A> : It's likely just automated load balancing. Too many people on a server so they get routed to a different server. Download speeds don't get affecting but they sacrifice ping times as a result.<br><small>--<br>the opinions expressed herein are my own and do not represent my employer in any way</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:29:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172858"><b>dubfanatic</b></A> : Well, now it's fine. It sure wasn't when I did that earlier traceroute. It used to oscillate like this earlier in the year.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:09:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1488651"><b>river_ratbc</b></A> :   1    1 ms     1 ms    1 ms   [192.168.1.254]<br>  2    12 ms     9 ms     9 ms  d75-157-x-xxx.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.x.xxx]<br>  3     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  154.11.xx.xxx<br>  4    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  204.225.243.18<br>  5    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  sl-gw12-sea-10-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.1<br>13]<br>  6    33 ms    31 ms    31 ms  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.93.66]<br>  7    32 ms    31 ms    31 ms  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.74]<br>  8    14 ms    15 ms    13 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.16<br>2.26]<br>  9    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  c-66-150-164-55.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.<br>net [66.150.164.55]<br><br>Trace complete.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:44:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : 1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  0.795 ms  0.441 ms  0.351 ms<br> 2  d207-216-xxx.bchsia.telus.net (207.216.xxx)  16.735 ms  15.100 ms  21.956 ms<br> 3  secure.ca.inter.net (154.11.89.xxx)  17.706 ms  17.726 ms  16.918 ms<br> 4  204.225.243.18 (204.225.243.18)  23.179 ms  31.016 ms  20.879 ms<br> 5  sl-gw12-sea-10-0-1.sprintlink.net (144.224.113.113)  20.929 ms  20.852 ms  21.830 ms<br> 6  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.93.66)  21.522 ms  20.811 ms  19.958 ms<br> 7  border5.ge5-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.10)  21.046 ms  20.509 ms  21.588 ms<br> 8  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  21.171 ms  20.766 ms  20.891 ms<br> 9  c-66-150-164-55.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.55)  21.856 ms  21.776 ms  21.566 ms<br><br>Are you sure?<br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:38:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172858"><b>dubfanatic</b></A> : It's broken again. This is really getting on my nerves. If Shaw wasn't even worse in my neighbourhood I'd drop Telus like a hot potato. Three cheers for monopolies.<br><br>Tracing route to tf2.themachine.org [66.150.164.55]<br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br>  1    1 ms     1 ms    1 ms  home [10.0.0.1] <br>  2    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  d154-20-128-254.bchsia.telus.net [154.20.128.254] <br>  3    25 ms    25 ms    23 ms  154.11.89.129 <br>  4    30 ms    27 ms    29 ms  204.225.243.18 <br>  5    30 ms    29 ms    31 ms  sl-gw12-sea-10-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.113] <br>  6    87 ms    86 ms    86 ms  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net [144.228.93.66] <br>  7    88 ms    86 ms    88 ms  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.74] <br>  8    87 ms    88 ms    86 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.26] <br>  9    90 ms    86 ms    86 ms  c-66-150-164-55.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.55] <br><br>Trace complete.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:50:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1411252"><b>GaiaChaos</b></A> : No, it won't.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:41:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/578422"><b>lucky644</b></A> : Good to hear, maybe I'll switch back.<br><small>--<br>~~Desu</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:38:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : Looks like its fixed. Lets hope it holds<br><br>2  d207-216-48-xxx.bchsia.telus.net (207.216.48.xxx)  17.718 ms  16.811 ms  18.127 ms<br> 3  secure.ca.inter.net (154.11.89.130)  16.889 ms  18.937 ms  19.239 ms<br> 4  204.225.243.18 (204.225.243.18)  21.596 ms  21.991 ms  23.414 ms<br> 5  sl-gw12-sea-10-0-1.sprintlink.net (144.224.113.113)  21.127 ms  21.923 ms  19.826 ms<br> 6  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.93.66)  21.154 ms  20.674 ms  21.131 ms<br> 7  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.74)  23.215 ms  20.780 ms  21.956 ms<br> 8  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  20.805 ms  20.470 ms  20.907 ms<br> 9  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.57)  22.085 ms  20.760 ms  20.914 ms<br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:36:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/578422"><b>lucky644</b></A> : This has been going on forever.  I made several posts and tried to get it fixed for months.<br><br>Pretty stupid issue.<br><small>--<br>~~Desu</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:37:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : well, i think i'm going to try shaw for a while and see how they stack up. it's unfortunate that this issue was the deal breaker, but hopefully one day telus will figure out their own network.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:12:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : Shaw<br><br>traceroute to 66.150.164.57 (66.150.164.57), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets<br>1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 31.894 ms 0.737 ms 0.723 ms<br>2 * * *<br>3 rd1bb-ge4-0-0-7.vc.shawcable.net (64.59.159.226) 26.181 ms 11.922 ms 18.268 ms<br>4 rc2bb-tge0-0-0-0.vc.shawcable.net (66.163.69.141) 18.245 ms 13.976 ms 7.980 ms<br>5 rc2wt-pos1-0.wa.shawcable.net (66.163.76.142) 11.087 ms 12.067 ms 19.675 ms<br>6 six.nuclearfallout.net (198.32.180.12) 31.353 ms 43.834 ms 23.347 ms<br>7 router.int.fisher.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.165.189) 12.256 ms 32.421 ms 18.262 ms<br>8 c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.57) 12.574 ms 12.255 ms 13.670 ms<br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:38:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Randsl Dude <A HREF="/useremail/u/185347"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Network peering is as complicated as the wiring on the space shuttle.<br><br>Telus would have signed a contract with all the large Isp network operators in the United States on how mutual network traffic would be handled, and by the way, Telus would be considered a small fry ISP in the U.S.<br><br>Within each large Isp's networks, say AT& T's for example, are hundreds of smaller network operators also seeking peering arrangements, ranging from free access to hundreds of thousands of dollars for access.<br><br>It's only fair that the larger Isp's are allowed to manage the traffic on their own networks from other networks like Telus's, to ensure a reliable flow of network traffic for the majority of the 'public" users.<br><br>Private peering companies like Duck Soup and Nuclear Fallout may have peering arrangements with public US ISP's or private ISP's like Cogent but not with Telus.<br><br>Your ping sky rockets when it hits the server at hop 4, wherever that one is, which hands off to the Cogent private peering network...&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cogentco.com/us/network_map.php" >www.cogentco.com/us/network_map.php</A> <br><br>...that's where the problem is because they don't have a cross border peering arrangement with any Canadian Isp in the West, just down east, most likely with Bell.<br><br>It's a routing problem alright and it resides with Cogent and whoever they have a peering agreement with, and it sure isn't Telus...<br> </div>1  10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1)  0.725 ms  0.423 ms  0.350 ms<br> 2  d64-180-192-111.bchsia.telus.net (64.180.192.111)  15.746 ms  15.798 ms  14.846 ms<br> 3  secure.ca.inter.net (154.11.89.130)  29.617 ms  36.790 ms  45.693 ms<br> 4  204.225.243.18 (204.225.243.18)  21.066 ms  20.756 ms  19.901 ms<br> 5  sl-gw12-sea-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.224.113.153)  19.835 ms * *<br> 6  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.93.66)  20.630 ms  20.758 ms *<br> 7  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.74)  19.961 ms  20.669 ms  21.045 ms<br> 8  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  20.812 ms  20.747 ms <br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:36:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : Sorry but I think telus could transit with sprint like they used too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/185347"><b>Randsl Dude</b></A> : Network peering is as complicated as the wiring on the space shuttle.<br><br>Telus would have signed a contract with all the large Isp network operators in the United States on how mutual network traffic would be handled, and by the way, Telus would be considered a small fry ISP in the U.S.<br><br>Within each large Isp's networks, say AT& T's for example, are hundreds of smaller network operators also seeking peering arrangements, ranging from free access to hundreds of thousands of dollars for access.<br><br>It's only fair that the larger Isp's are allowed to manage the traffic on their own networks from other networks like Telus's, to ensure a reliable flow of network traffic for the majority of the 'public" users.<br><br>Private peering companies like Duck Soup and Nuclear Fallout may have peering arrangements with public US ISP's or private ISP's like Cogent but not with Telus.<br><br>Your ping sky rockets when it hits the server at hop 4, wherever that one is, which hands off to the Cogent private peering network...&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cogentco.com/us/network_map.php" >www.cogentco.com/us/network_map.php</A> <br><br>...that's where the problem is because they don't have a cross border peering arrangement with any Canadian Isp in the West, just down east, most likely with Bell.<br><br>It's a routing problem alright and it resides with Cogent and whoever they have a peering agreement with, and it sure isn't Telus...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:50:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172858"><b>dubfanatic</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>said by foLster :</small><hr>Oh well, Shaw will be moving into my city soon.<hr></blockquote> You're lucky, you'll get on Shaw with a brand new node. My neighbourhood has become considerably dense (in more ways than one) and Shaw has "millions of dollars of upgrades" to catch up on according to one of their techs. I'm stuck with this crap. At least I have a VPN I can use to bypass this routing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:03:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Yup, I've been enjoying my 100+ ping to Seattle servers that I normally get 5-10 to, and 130 ping to San Jose servers that I normally get 30~ish to. Kind of ridiculous when I get better ping to New York/Chicago than I do to Seattle.<br><br>This happens A LOT. Every few months, this horrid routing change will be happen and I'll be stuck with this for about a whole month, and Telus will say "everything is fine".<br><br>Oh well, Shaw will be moving into my city soon.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:48:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : Its boils down to poor routing. They did not do this on purpose but for some reason "Bestpath Modifiers: deterministic-med" is thinking this is the best route.  when it is not. Keep the pressure on. Tier 1 will refuse to forward this on any higher from my experience and will tell you everything is fine....<br><br>LookingGlass shows an email address of ipsupport@telus.com<br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Tracing route to c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164<br>.57]<br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br>  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  CMT [192.168.1.1]<br>  2    21 ms    19 ms    19 ms  d64-180-0-254.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.0.254]<br>  3    21 ms    19 ms    19 ms  c2-0.kntaonacdr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.88.193]<br>  4    83 ms    82 ms    82 ms  204.225.244.198<br>  5   125 ms    88 ms    88 ms  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10<br>.169]<br>  6     *        *       88 ms  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.<br>33]<br>  7    89 ms    90 ms    90 ms  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.11.138]<br>  8    92 ms    91 ms    91 ms  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gb<br>lx.net [64.213.33.230]<br>  9    92 ms    92 ms    92 ms  border5.ge5-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.10<br>]<br> 10    92 ms    91 ms    92 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.16<br>2.26]<br> 11    92 ms    92 ms    92 ms  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.<br>net [66.150.164.57]<br><br>Trace complete.<br><br>vancouver bc. i spent about 3 hours on the phone trying to convince the "help agent" that there is something wrong. "lets do another speed test"....i finally got to someone who knew how to say something besides that postit on their desk that reads "try restarting your router" and he was placing blame everywhere but telus]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:48:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1193974"><b>itanic</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by myco :</small><br><br>from telus:<br><br>"Your traceroute results indicate that your computer begins to lack speed after your computer leaves the TELUS network.  Unfortunatley, this is not something TELUS can troubleshoot as the problem exists outside of the TELUS network.  I apologize on behalf of TELUS for the inconvenience this issue has caused you."<br></div>What a total BS answer. Telus is routing traffic to the east coast, instead of down to Seattle. Hop 4 in the traceroute of your opening post is definitely still on their network, and where a bulk of the latency can be shown.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  netwerk <A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm still trying to get this resolved.<br><br>route-views.ab>show bgp paths 32751<br>Address Hash Refcount Metric Path<br>0x659A52A8 1250 2 0 852 2828 6993 32751 i<br>0x6423A460 1558 2 0 852 174 32751 i<br>0x6D9977C0 1621 2 0 852 174 3549 14744 32751 i<br>0x6D658A20 3040 2 0 852 1239 3356 25973 32751 32751 32751 32751 32751 32751 i<br></div>With BGP, only the best routes are re-distributed, so output from a looking glass with only one neighbour is always going to show only one route, and an incomplete set of paths. You'd need BGP from each of the edge routers to get a full picture. As far as I can tell, Telus also has transit from Sprint in Seattle, which would also give much better routing to Internap/NFO.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:39:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : I'm still trying to get this resolved.<br><br>route-views.ab>show bgp paths 32751<br>Address    Hash Refcount Metric Path<br>0x659A52A8 1250        2      0 852 2828 6993 32751 i<br>0x6423A460 1558        2      0 852 174 32751 i<br>0x6D9977C0 1621        2      0 852 174 3549 14744 32751 i<br>0x6D658A20 3040        2      0 852 1239 3356 25973 32751 32751 32751 32751 32751 32751 i<br><br>Those are the BGP entries for telus west routers to the gaming servers in question<br><br>TELUS is AS 852<br>NuclearFallout is AS 32751<br><br>For some reason we are taking that 3rd route instead of the shorter one.<br><br>I think this route would be the best - or better at least<br><br>show ip bgp 63.251.162.26<br>BGP routing table entry for 63.251.160.0/20, version 48186371<br>Bestpath Modifiers: deterministic-med<br>Paths: (1 available, best #1)<br>  Not advertised to any peer<br>  <b>852 3257 2914 14744</b><br>    154.11.98.17 from 154.11.98.17 (154.11.0.71)<br>      Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external, best<br><br>and then from AS 14744 onto AS 32751 why this isn't happening I have no idea<br><br>BTW<br>All the BGP information is freely available from the internet. Just google it<br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172858"><b>dubfanatic</b></A> : I'm getting routed to New York City for servers in Seattle hosted at Nuclear Fallout. This has been going on for months now, although this is the first time that I've seen NYC routers explicitly shown in the trace. Usually I just get a 70 ms spike on the way from Vancouver to Seattle, without showing any eastern routing. The worst part is that I switched to Telus from Shaw because of bad gaming performance. Gotta love monopolies.<br><br>Tracing route to c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br>  1     1 ms    1 ms     1 ms  home [10.0.0.1] <br>  2    28 ms    27 ms    23 ms  d154-20-128-254.bchsia.telus.net [154.20.128.254] <br>  3    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  secure.ca.inter.net [154.11.89.130] <br>  4    86 ms    86 ms    86 ms  204.225.244.198 <br>  5    93 ms    94 ms    92 ms  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.169] <br>  6     *       93 ms    92 ms  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.33] <br>  7    95 ms    94 ms    94 ms  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.11.138] <br>  8    96 ms    96 ms    98 ms  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net [64.213.33.230] <br>  9    97 ms    96 ms    98 ms  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.74] <br> 10    96 ms    96 ms    96 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.26] <br> 11    97 ms    96 ms    96 ms c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57] <br><br>Trace complete.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : some responces,<br><br>from telus:<br><br>"Your traceroute results indicate that your computer begins to lack speed after your computer leaves the TELUS network.  Unfortunatley, this is not something TELUS can troubleshoot as the problem exists outside of the TELUS network.  I apologize on behalf of TELUS for the inconvenience this issue has caused you."<br><br>from cogent:<br><br>"Currently im not seeing an issue on Cogents network in the trace routes that you have submitted that show me why you are having problems reaching this server."<br><br>looks like nobody knows whats going on.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : I made a call but not sure what will happen. Will try again tomorrow<br><br>Here is what I have found so far. Keep in mind I'm renting a movie from appletv so the connection is busy right now<br><br>This is what most people here are getting if you traceroute 66.150.164.57. <br><br>tertiary-adjunct:~ unimatrix001$ traceroute 66.150.164.57<br>traceroute to 66.150.164.57 (66.150.164.57), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets<br> 1  10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1)  0.816 ms  0.417 ms  0.374 ms<br> 2  d777.777.777.777.bchsia.telus.net (777.777.777.777)  15.482 ms  19.574 ms  16.015 ms<br> 3  c2-0.kntaonacdr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.88.193)  16.961 ms  16.871 ms  16.692 ms<br> 4  204.225.244.198 (204.225.244.198)  79.748 ms  79.828 ms  79.884 ms<br> 5  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.10.169)  79.803 ms  80.449 ms  79.965 ms<br> 6  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.33)  79.961 ms  80.800 ms *<br> 7  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.138)  79.730 ms  80.728 ms  79.966 ms<br> 8  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net (64.213.33.230)  88.803 ms  88.741 ms  90.031 ms<br> 9  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.74)  88.628 ms  88.696 ms  88.783 ms<br>10  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  90.049 ms  89.627 ms  88.831 ms<br>11  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.57)  89.721 ms  89.852 ms  88.926 ms<br><br>Now do a traceroute to Hop 10         63.251.162.26<br><br>Way different results<br><br>tertiary-adjunct:~ aaron$ traceroute 63.251.162.26<br>traceroute to 63.251.162.26 (63.251.162.26), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets<br> 1  10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1)  0.718 ms  0.419 ms  0.375 ms<br> 2  d777.777.777.7774.bchsia.telus.net (777.777.777.777)  16.217 ms  15.897 ms  15.748 ms<br> 3  secure.ca.inter.net (154.11.89.130)  17.754 ms  17.301 ms  17.845 ms<br> 4  204.225.243.18 (204.225.243.18)  20.099 ms  20.442 ms  19.849 ms<br> 5  sl-gw12-sea-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.224.113.153)  20.742 ms  19.672 ms  19.827 ms<br> 6  sl-internap-127-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.93.66)  21.249 ms  20.458 ms  19.875 ms<br> 7  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.74)  111.996 ms  68.693 ms  112.677 ms<br> 8  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  20.604 ms  19.962 ms  19.860 ms<br><br>There must be something in the routing protocol and metrics that is making the route take that path. Its like Telus routers thinks the server IP is in Toronto area and once the packet reaches toronto they route it to the proper location and path.<br><br>I play alot of DOD and CS from the same group of servers and am very used to the stable 12-20ms ping I get. I hopes this gets fixed soon. <br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1471395"><b>Mike_C</b></A> : Telus is sure using weird routing. From my second home connection I don't see cogentco or at&t IPs. I do see a much more direct path though.<br><br>traceroute to 66.150.164.57 (66.150.164.57), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets<br> 1  192.168.20.1 (192.168.20.1)  32.278 ms  12.956 ms  1.283 ms<br> 2  68.150.12.1 (68.150.12.1)  20.301 ms  19.520 ms  22.421 ms<br> 3  rc1ar-ge5-0-0-14.ed.shawcable.net (64.59.189.34)  18.577 ms  22.527 ms  23.036 ms<br> 4  rc2bb-pos0-0-2-0.vc.shawcable.net (66.163.77.222)  33.769 ms  34.122 ms  36.108 ms<br> 5  rc2wt-pos1-0.wa.shawcable.net (66.163.76.142)  40.803 ms  41.593 ms  39.285 ms<br> 6  six.nuclearfallout.net (198.32.180.12)  40.389 ms  37.393 ms  39.602 ms<br> 7  router.int.fisher.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.165.189)  39.370 ms  43.978 ms  39.784 ms<br> 8  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.57)  37.671 ms  42.330 ms  41.239 ms]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511337"><b>wyle</b></A> : From Whittier California to Bellevue Washington...looks like the issue is south of the border<br><br>Traceroute<br><br>      Tracing route to 66.150.164.254<br><br>      Hop&#9;Time&#9;Host&#9;IP&#9;Location<br>      1&#9;4.449&#9;xo-gateway&#9;140.239.191.1&#9;Whittier, CA, United States<br>      2&#9;7.981&#9;ip65-47-242-9.z242-47-65.customer.algx.net&#9;65.47.242.9&#9;, , United States<br>      3&#9;7.703&#9;ge6-3-0d0.mar1.santaana-ca.us.xo.net&#9;207.88.81.193&#9;, , United States<br>      4&#9;9.187&#9;p5-1-0-0.RAR1.LA-CA.us.xo.net&#9;65.106.5.13&#9;, , United States<br>      5&#9;10.116&#9;207.88.12.157.ptr.us.xo.net&#9;207.88.12.157&#9;, , United States<br>      6&#9;12.299&#9;207.88.12.158.ptr.us.xo.net&#9;207.88.12.158&#9;, , United States<br>      7&#9;28.847&#9;gr1-a3110s6.sffca.ip.att.net&#9;192.205.35.157&#9;Lake Mary, FL, United States<br>      8&#9;48.362&#9;tbr2.la2ca.ip.att.net&#9;12.123.222.30&#9;, , United States<br>      9&#9;47.824&#9;cr2.la2ca.ip.att.net&#9;12.122.19.205&#9;, , United States<br>      10&#9;44.083&#9;cr2.sffca.ip.att.net&#9;12.122.31.134&#9;, , United States<br>      11&#9;46.997&#9;cr1.st6wa.ip.att.net&#9;12.122.31.193&#9;, , United States<br>      12&#9;54.657&#9;tbr1.st6wa.ip.att.net&#9;12.122.23.162&#9;, , United States<br>      13&#9;58.807&#9;12.127.6.202&#9;12.127.6.202&#9;Raleigh, NC, United States<br>      14&#9;39.042&#9;12.118.34.22&#9;12.118.34.22&#9;Washington, DC, United States<br>      15&#9;53.693&#9;border5.ge5-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net&#9;63.251.160.10&#9;Seattle, WA, United States<br>      16&#9;39.148&#9;router.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net&#9;66.150.164.254&#9;Bellevue, WA, United States<br><br>Visual Traceroute ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : they did indeed!<br><br>1   0.9 ms   1.0 ms   0.9 ms  router.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.254]<br>2   0.4 ms   0.6 ms   0.3 ms  border5.f4-29.nuclearfallout-4.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.25]<br>3   0.5 ms   0.3 ms   0.3 ms  core5.t4-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.16]<br>4   0.7 ms   3.3 ms   0.7 ms  ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net [64.213.33.229]<br>5  74.6 ms   4.5 ms   5.0 ms  gi3-1.core01.sea01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.12.173]<br>6 133.6 ms 207.8 ms 215.9 ms  po15-0.core01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.169]<br>7  19.8 ms  19.6 ms  19.6 ms  po4-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.253]<br>8  19.8 ms  19.7 ms  19.6 ms  po6-0.core01.sjc04.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.234]<br>9  92.4 ms  92.5 ms  92.6 ms  154.11.2.53<br>10  93.3 ms  92.4 ms  92.9 ms  154.11.88.207<br>11 111.2 ms  99.6 ms  99.1 ms  d205-250-65-***.bchsia.telus.net [205.250.65.***] ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765088"><b>netwerk</b></A> : Same problem. There must be congestion or a problem for that route to be taken. I used to get 20ms ping to these servers so I'm a little concerned as well. I'm going to try and call in. Wish me luck!<br><br> 2  d666.666.666.666.bchsia.telus.net (666.666.666.666)  15.197 ms  15.646 ms  15.987 ms<br> 3  c2-0.kntaonacdr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.88.193)  17.936 ms  16.672 ms  16.974 ms<br> 4  204.225.244.198 (204.225.244.198)  80.047 ms  79.660 ms  79.892 ms<br> 5  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.10.169)  79.910 ms  79.742 ms  80.005 ms<br> 6  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.33)  80.424 ms  79.827 ms *<br> 7  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.138)  93.924 ms  91.556 ms  80.977 ms<br> 8  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net (64.213.33.230)  89.642 ms  88.766 ms  88.796 ms<br> 9  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net (63.251.160.74)  267.977 ms  164.914 ms  209.683 ms<br>10  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net (63.251.162.26)  88.756 ms  89.011 ms  88.844 ms<br>11  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net (66.150.164.57)  89.524 ms  98.720 ms  89.078 ms<br><br>edit**** Although they like to blame the ISP, the path taken has alot to do with peers like cogent and gblx and pnap and their health.<br><br>Did they send you a reverse traceroute? We would see what route they take back and what it is like.<br><br><small>--<br>"The views expressed by me are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1274416"><b>hhhmmm</b></A> : This is from Kitimat <br>Tracing route to c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br>  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.2.1<br>  2    19 ms    18 ms    18 ms  d216-232-111-254.bchsia.telus.net [216.232.111.254]<br>  3    34 ms    35 ms    34 ms  154.11.89.129<br>  4    94 ms    94 ms    93 ms  204.225.244.198<br>  5    99 ms    99 ms    99 ms  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.169]<br>  6   103 ms   103 ms   102 ms  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.33]<br>  7   101 ms   100 ms   101 ms  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.11.138]<br>  8   123 ms   123 ms   124 ms  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net [64.213.33.230]<br>  9   139 ms   244 ms   232 ms  border5.ge5-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.10]<br> 10   106 ms   106 ms   105 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.26]<br> 11   106 ms   107 ms   108 ms  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br><br>Trace complete.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : steady 83-85ms here, from Kamloops BC<br><br>Tracing route to c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br>  1    1 ms    1 ms    1 ms  192.168.1.1<br>  2     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms  d66-183-224-254.bchsia.telus.net [66.183.224.254]<br>  3    12 ms    11 ms    12 ms  154.11.89.129<br>  4    75 ms    74 ms    75 ms  204.225.244.198<br>  5    84 ms    84 ms    84 ms  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10<br>.169]<br>  6    82 ms   108 ms    81 ms  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.<br>33]<br>  7    83 ms    83 ms    83 ms  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.11.138]<br>  8    85 ms    84 ms    83 ms  InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net [64.213.33.230]<br>  9    87 ms    87 ms    86 ms  border5.po-2-bbnet2.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.74]<br> 10    86 ms    86 ms    86 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.26]<br> 11    84 ms    84 ms    83 ms  c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br><br>Trace complete.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : oh, btw... if you're on telus... try pinging my server, see if it's over 20ms:<br><br>66.150.164.57:27015  - Seattle DuckSoup Team Fortress 2]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : So overnight last night, my connection dropped for like an hour, when it came back online I was experiencing high pings on the TF2 server I rent in Seattle. It went from 13ms to over 100ms. I contacted the rental company and they were very helpful, they ran routing tests on my connection and here are the results:<br><br>Public IP address: 205.250.65.***<br><br>Tracing route to ducksouptf2.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br><br>over a maximum of 30 hops:<br><br> 1     *      765 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.1<br><br> 2    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  d205-250-64-254.bchsia.telus.net [205.250.64.***]<br><br> 3    11 ms    10 ms    10 ms  secure.ca.inter.net [154.11.89.130]<br><br> 4    74 ms    74 ms    74 ms  204.225.244.198<br><br> 5    73 ms    74 ms    73 ms  po5-2.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.169]<br><br> 6    73 ms    73 ms    73 ms  te9-1.mpd01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.33]<br><br> 7    74 ms    74 ms    86 ms  gblx.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.11.138]<br><br> 8   101 ms   102 ms   101 ms InterNAP-Ken-Schmid-Seattle.ge-3-2-0.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net [64.213.33.230]<br><br> 9   100 ms   101 ms   100 ms  border5.ge5-1-bbnet1.sef.pnap.net [63.251.160.10]<br><br>10   101 ms   100 ms   100 ms  nuclearfallout-4.border5.sef.pnap.net [63.251.162.26]<br><br>11   102 ms   101 ms   101 ms c-66-150-164-57.internap-seattle.nuclearfallout.net [66.150.164.57]<br><br>And their responses were:<br><br>"It looks like your ISP may be routing to us strangely here, since usually there is no call to go to NYC from Chilliwack, BC, Canada, on the way to Seattle."<br><br>"I went ahead and added XO to the mix from InterNAP Seattle (using our link between the two locations) and the ping from Telus is still high, unfortunately. I was hoping that would help.. It seems they're just choosing a poor path."<br><br>Do you think there is any way I can get Telus to reroute me? It seems they send me to NY before going to Seattle. Everyone that uses my server that also use Telus are experiencing the exact same thing. What happened?]]></description>
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