pnh102
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In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships.
I hope Verizon continues this apparent "FIOS at all costs" mentality. It will result in more people getting this service sooner, and it will hopefully inspire cable companies to make improvements to their service as well.
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DavePR
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| Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth. |
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
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said by pnh102  :In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships. The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. |
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Dogfather
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| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships. In that analogy the majority of Verizon subscribers don't have paved roads and horses are still an important method of travel. There are also a significant number of Verizon subs that have no hope of seeing FTTH because of their remote locations. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
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said by DavePR :Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth. Can't say I agree with anything here. The Fios tv forum certainly shows a lot of people that find it important.
As one who has DirecTv, Fios tv is something that is desperately needed here. Comcast thanks to a lot of "shady" reasons, does not share the feed of their RSN to satellite companies (CSN PHL), meanwhile they share every other RSN. Fios has CSN PHL.
I am not sure many people want to go back to roof top antennas either.
The need for bandwidth from even average people is increasing at faster rates due to many forms of content over the internet now. |
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pnh102
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said by Cthen :The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. It doesn't really matter either way. The fact remains that Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually working to deliver next-generation broadband. They should not be hobbled by having to maintain a dying technology.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable.
For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. |
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pnh102
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| said by Dogfather :For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. Most businesses are also able to invest their own connectivity outside of DSL. As for it being dying, it is when you compare it to other types of connectivity, especially fiber.
For example, there is an actual limit to the amount of bandwidth you can get out of DSL, however, with fiber, there is no limit. It is also easier for Verizon to upgrade fiber to handle faster speeds later on. All it takes is simply changing out the equipment on both sides of the line.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Well it is and it isn't. There is VDSL which can offer speeds of 12mbit download and 9mbit uploads or similar. However, in terms of true "fiber speeds", dsl doesn't have that potential yet. With that said, DSL is still a viable and good alternative for those that cannot get or do not wish to be stuck with cable company. |
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Limitess bandwidth is irrelevant unless you have a provider willing to deploy services over it.
Yeah, G-PON can do 400Mb so where is Verizon with 400Mb HSI service? In my neck of the woods they max at 30Mb for $140/mo. Cable? No competition to DSL given they're having to cap and traffic shape to deliver those slightly higher advertised speeds.
And with most FiOS subs buying 5Mb plans, current DSL and especially newer DSL technologies are anything but dying.
In my area Verizon does 7.1Mb DSL for under $50. I can't get that speed of dedicated service from TWC, Cox or Comcast. While offering slightly faster speeds, ALL have caps, traffic shape or both. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to jc100
And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
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said by Dogfather :DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable. For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose. |
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pnh102
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said by Dogfather :And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come. Because companies like Verizon are getting ragged on for investing in FIOS? 
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pnh102
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said by Dogfather :Limitess bandwidth is irrelevant unless you have a provider willing to deploy services over it. Which is exactly why companies like Verizon should be praised and encouraged to deploy such services.
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Dogfather
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| Who is discouraging Verizon from deploying 100Mb service over FiOS? (other than Brian Roberts)
Verizon can walk and chew gum. They can improve DSL services while continuing their FiOS deployments. |
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Dogfather
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said by pnh102 :said by Dogfather :And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come. Because companies like Verizon are getting ragged on for investing in FIOS? By investors and cable fanboys maybe. |
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said by EPS :said by Dogfather :DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable. For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose. Same could be said of DOCSIS 1.1 but it doesn't mean DOCSIS over HFC is a dying technology. |
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said by EPS :For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose. Verizon is ADSL2+ in a lot of places now. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Really? I was under the impression that they weren't rolling out anything newer than ADSL1, which is why they won't offer anything faster than 7 mbps (ADSL's theoretical maximum of 8mbps with compensation for overhead) |
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join:2006-04-27
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HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most. |
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