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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial said by ORLY :
I'm no fan of Anthony Morrison, however I wouldn't call what he's doing a scam. The guy is selling an educational program. It's really no different than the 'Learn how to Flip Houses' programs on the late-night infomercials.
That being said, he's not being clear up front that his program requires a large investment to learn, is based on paid advertising, and has a steep learning curve. I've managed $50K+/month PPC campaigns for many years and finding profitable keywords is not that easy. Not to mention that keyword prices change, trends change, and affiliate offers change. Also, doing a good job requires money. Money for tools, software, and to get started. You have to fund PPC campaigns after all - and making $100/day profit requires at least $100/day in advertising.
I wouldn't want to try teaching web marketing to the general population for exactly this reason. It requires lots of time, money, and work to do well. It would be a challenge to teach 1 person to make money online - let alone a whole room full. I doubt that more than 10% of Anthony's clients ever make a dollar - and less than 1% make back what they spent on the program.
Still, that doesn't make it a scam. A scam by definition is a con. It's done with the intent of taking money ......
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Misleading? Yes. Overhyped? Yes. But Scam? Nope.
Your accurate description of the affiliate and PPC market supports your statement of being involved in that business. However, your estimation of the results probability of Morrison's program may be overly generous. Many may take issue with your scam conclusion opinion.
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said by ORLY :
You didn't address my other points. Everything in the United States is marketed in a misleading way - that doesn't make them a scam. Therefore just because something is misleading does NOT make it a scam.
My issue is that the word scam is thrown about way too much these days. Like I said - everything is marketed in a misleading way (look at cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, clothes, EVERYTHING) - but for something to be a scam there has to be intent to steal or con behind it.
You could argue that AM is knowingly ripping people off - and you might be right - however if the knowledge he's selling gives SOME of his students the skills to make money online, then his product is not a scam.
Not everyone who goes to medical school ends up being a doctor (thank goodness). That doesn't make medical school a scam - just means that not everyone has the proper mindset or skill set to do it.
Did not answer the rest as it was ludicrous at best and silly at worst. You want to make it sound like everything is misleading and a scam. Your view holds no water as you don't get a Medical Degree and when you graduate get told that you need to spend 4 grand to "get up to speed" or "get fast tracked" with practicing in your chosen Medical Field. There are no surprises in the majority of legitimate endeavors or business and to say that there is just doesn't hold up in the light of day. When you are told everything you need is in a book or a seminar and it isn't that is simply a scam and misleading people for profit. It is apparent that you either have not read the entire thread or you are shilling. Doesn't matter either way. We do appreciate the boost in keeping this topic at the top of Google search results, in fact it is greatly appreciated. It helps get the word out and keep it out there.
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said by AVD:My question to you, Mr. ORLY, is any product or service provided by AM worth the money he is asking for? In my opinion? Heck no! I could point you to a dozen courses that give you similar information that cost far less. Many of them are under $100. Not only that, but most of them offer a 30 or a 60-day money back guarantee. Of course I've never done AM's plan, but based on the feedback here it's pretty straightforward CPA affiliate marketing.
If you're interested in learning more I'd point you to the Warrior Forum. You can get a full affiliate marketing education there for free - however you'll have to wade through all the misinformation to get it.
But overcharging doesn't make something a scam. A room at the 4 seasons for a night costs more than a months rent. Way too expensive - but if the market will bear it...
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@MGD - Wow. Well, like I said I'm no fan of AM's, but some of those tweets and PMs really take the cake. The guy obviously isn't trying to help anyone but himself based on most it. All the 'hustle time' and 'paper stacks' make him look like the douchebag he probably is.
I officially retract my position on Anthony Morrison and his product.
@Olds - I don't think what I was saying was THAT ludicrous (or silly). Everything is marketed in a misleading way. That's why Marketers are right there with Lawyers in the slime department.
Also, If you take the time to speak to small business owners, I think you'll find that there are PLENTY of surprises in ALL businesses. Have you ever looked at business math and accounting? Huge surprise to me.
At any rate, I didn't read the entire thread first (see my @MGD above) it is 72 pages long after all - and am not shilling if by that term you mean: "a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty."
I don't think I've tried to make any money on here - haven't posted a link to my site or anything. Nor have I posed as a customer of AM saying his product was good. In fact I've already said I think it's way overpriced.
I only posted on this thread at all because I think the term 'scam' is dramatically overused (pushes my buttons obv.) - and because my wife saw the Anthony Morrison infomercial and asked me if I knew anything about the guy. I don't watch much TV so hadn't seen his advertisement, but in looking him up found this thread.
I still don't think that what Anthony is doing is a scam per se - at least no more so than any of the 'learn how to flip houses' courses or any of the other get rich quick stuff you see on late-night tv. I agree that all of that stuff is preying on people who are the least equipped to afford it or actually do anything with the knowledge. If the people were smarter/more knowledgeable about what they were getting into, they'd obviously never do it.
That being said, people need to take some personal responsibility and be smart enough to NOT give this guy and others like him their money. I hate all the nanny state controls and laws that keep getting put in place to save people from themselves. I understand that this thread exists to keep people from making the same mistake that many others have made and am all for keeping this thread at the top of the results. I'll even give this thread some link love from some of my sites to help keep it up here.
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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial The company you are talking about is Cool Blue Performance. It is for sale. I have been doing this program for 4 weeks. The PMI program was 3995.00. That is the company that Mr. Morrison uses to teach his program. Professional Marketing International AKA PMI coaching, out of Utah & AKA Dalbey Education Institute LLC. out of Lima Colorado. The coaching sessions are once a week sometimes. Then you will receive several calls from everyone saying they are from Pmi. Beware and be very careful |
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said by ORLY :
I still don't think that what Anthony is doing is a scam per se - at least no more so than any of the 'learn how to flip houses' courses or any of the other get rich quick stuff you see on late-night tv. I agree that all of that stuff is preying on people who are the least equipped to afford it or actually do anything with the knowledge. If the people were smarter/more knowledgeable about what they were getting into, they'd obviously never do it. Pandering chimeral notions of 'get rich quick without hardly working' to the people who are the least equipped to afford it or actually do anything with the knowledge = scam. Per se.  |
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it has been fun reading some of he post especially from of the ones that have no practical knowledge of what they are discussing. I am a good example of someone who has made practically nothing on the interenet over the past 5 years and the one important thing I have learned is that it is unheard of for an interent guru to leave all the information on the table. It is always a hook to get you to
spend more. With Anthony or anyone else you will find - good information is included in the system however, it is always limited. My advice to you that are always chasing the dream is to get on some mailing lists listen and spend very limited money while learning. This is the way to sort out the liars and cheats and those who are only re circulating old outdated information they stole from someone else. One of my favorites is Brad callon and his brother from Indiana. I have learned much from him and the truth to be told I think I have at least as much information on how to do it than Anthony. The diference is I am much like some on you - I have little money to apply that knowledge and afraid to spend what I have. The results "inaction" That is the killer! Anthon's strentgh is he was not afraid to do it whether it was good or bad stolen or designed. In every system there a few people that actually follow thru and do it. |
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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial said by charley :
it has been fun reading some of he post especially from of the ones that have no practical knowledge of what they are discussing.
This forum discusses scams & scammers.
This thread discusses the methods that Anthony Morrison uses to separate victims from their money.
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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial If I've learned anything in life it's this - Stuff hawked on TV late at night or all day on Saturday is crap. People that want to get rich quick with little or no work by buying someone else's proven system are fools. If these programs/system really worked why would they be shared? |
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