Re: GSM was cracked in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20510127 en Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:14:58 EDT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:14:58 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510141 crapmac :
said by jester121 See Profile :

You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you.
oh I'm not saying that I'm not paranoid - I've just given up with the whole "privacy" thing.

various government agencies have passsed so many laws that are an invasion of privacy (the wiretapping "protect america" or whatever - law, for example), that I just now expect that someone is listening to my phone call, and that I probably shouldn't talk about my illegal drug trafficking from Venezuela (just kiddin'!) over the land line or cell phone (prepaid or otherwise).

remember that story about comcast implementing "face recognition technology" into your cable boxes so that they can "open your DVR recordings list to your preferred list of shows". Total BS. It's gotten so rediculous that I don't expect privacy anymore, see?

link to story: »Your Comcast DVR Is Watching You
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"Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510141 Tue, 20 May 2008 02:56:21 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510127 crapmac : ricep5,

second point - absolutely true. the first one, though, i have to disagree.

even if i'm having the most boring conversation on earth with someone over the telephone, i should still take note if something unusual happens, right?

i'm basing my opinion off of odd experiences, not frivilous daydreaming, and if I act like an arrogant fool and don't realize that some things are no longer private, then some day, if I'm having a conversation that needs to remain private, and I don't take that into note, then my arrogance might just come back and bite me in the ass.

Security is living in Antartica :D
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"Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510127 Tue, 20 May 2008 02:46:27 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508952 ricep5 : Everyone who fears that someone is listening also assumes that what they talk about is interesting or desirable.

In most cases they are neither, therefore most people have nothing to worry about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508952 Mon, 19 May 2008 21:16:56 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505710 cowboyro :
said by N3OGH See Profile :

Anyone who operates under the illusion of an expectation of privacy over any digital or analog common carrier network is walking through life with rose colored glasses on.

Cell phone? Assume someone is listening...

Land line? Assume someone is listening...

VoIP? Assume someone is listening......

Internet? Assume you're being tracked.....

If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD.

Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead....
So true!
In the military we had a label on all "field" phones: "ATTENTION! THE ENEMY IS LISTENING!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505710 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:25 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505564 jester121 : You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505564 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:19:09 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504720 crapmac : yes, I have come to expect weird noises on my telephone line, internet connection problems ("unscheduled maintenance"), ususual GSM cell phone static ("the largest All-Digital network"? Ha! My ass it is!), and with anything else electronic, I assume that it is being publicized on the internet as I speak/type.

To me, nothing is "Private", so don't tell anyone anything you don't want the entire country to know, unless it's face-to-face. At first it was creepy to think that someone is listening in on your phone calls, but now when i hear that little clickey noise, I invite them to join the conversation! :D

the world (or, at least the U.S. of A) is a messed up place, sometimes. :(
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"Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504720 Mon, 19 May 2008 02:39:47 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504522 iLive4Apple :
said by en102 See Profile :

I would tend to agree. That end of GSM is quite old. At least 3G has a CDMA based interface which is much more difficult to hack.
Yea. I don't feel unsecure talking on my AT&T phone. But I really have nothing to hide, I just fear stalkers.

If I want to keep something secret like my job stuff, I just use Nextel Direct Connect, which is over a secure encrypted ip network. But stuff really important, I do it the old fashion way. In person :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504522 Mon, 19 May 2008 00:56:25 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504313 fatmanskinny :
said by N3OGH See Profile :

If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD.
Unfortunately, even meeting someone in a "secret" place does not guarantee a private conversation. With the onslaught of camera phones and other recording technology that can easily fit in your pocket and pick up a pin drop, privacy is pretty much out the window.

Like you said, if you want to keep something secret, don't tell anyone, including those closest to you. I always assume that what I say may eventually be told to someone else or recycled back to me in conversation....the latter I learned while getting into disagreements with the wife.
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504169 Sun, 18 May 2008 23:13:52 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504040 DJMADfx : Just don't plan the meet up via cell phone, land line, VoIP, or the internet. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504040 Sun, 18 May 2008 22:49:01 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20503951 Kearnstd : the most secure data is that which can only be accessed in person and has no network or outside connection and is in a vault with a smaller AC vent then the one in Mission Impossible.
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Cell phone? Assume someone is listening...

Land line? Assume someone is listening...

VoIP? Assume someone is listening......

Internet? Assume you're being tracked.....

If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD.

Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead....
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20502136 Sun, 18 May 2008 14:57:38 EDT Re: GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20502102 iLive4Apple : The encyption on GSM is weak. iDEN which is used by Nextel is encrypted better and much more secure. 3G uses a better encryption pattern though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20502102 Sun, 18 May 2008 14:45:43 EDT GSM was cracked http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501960 en102 : A long time ago... its TDMA based.
What does make things difficult are things such as frequency hopping, DTX and handoffs. I know that in my area, I have MANY handoffs between sites (at least once/minute). As an extra bonus, 3G (UMTS/WCDMA) is a lot more similar to CDMA which Verizon, Sprint, etc. use, and more difficult to 'hack'.
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Canada = Hollywood North]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501960 Sun, 18 May 2008 14:07:19 EDT