en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| GSM was cracked
A long time ago... its TDMA based.
What does make things difficult are things such as frequency hopping, DTX and handoffs. I know that in my area, I have MANY handoffs between sites (at least once/minute). As an extra bonus, 3G (UMTS/WCDMA) is a lot more similar to CDMA which Verizon, Sprint, etc. use, and more difficult to 'hack'.
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iLive4Apple
Hybrid power
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Helena, AL | The encyption on GSM is weak. iDEN which is used by Nextel is encrypted better and much more secure. 3G uses a better encryption pattern though. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I would tend to agree. That end of GSM is quite old. At least 3G has a CDMA based interface which is much more difficult to hack.
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N3OGH
Will it all be Obama's fault now?
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Philly burbs
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| reply to en102
Anyone who operates under the illusion of an expectation of privacy over any digital or analog common carrier network is walking through life with rose colored glasses on.
Cell phone? Assume someone is listening...
Land line? Assume someone is listening...
VoIP? Assume someone is listening......
Internet? Assume you're being tracked.....
If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD.
Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead....
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to en102
the most secure data is that which can only be accessed in person and has no network or outside connection and is in a vault with a smaller AC vent then the one in Mission Impossible.
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DJMADfx
join:2002-02-27
Bellmore, NY | reply to N3OGH
Just don't plan the meet up via cell phone, land line, VoIP, or the internet.  |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to N3OGH
Very true... privacy is mostly illusion these days.
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fatmanskinny
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Atlanta, GA
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said by N3OGH  :If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD. Unfortunately, even meeting someone in a "secret" place does not guarantee a private conversation. With the onslaught of camera phones and other recording technology that can easily fit in your pocket and pick up a pin drop, privacy is pretty much out the window.
Like you said, if you want to keep something secret, don't tell anyone, including those closest to you. I always assume that what I say may eventually be told to someone else or recycled back to me in conversation....the latter I learned while getting into disagreements with the wife.
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iLive4Apple
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Helena, AL
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| reply to en102
said by en102 :I would tend to agree. That end of GSM is quite old. At least 3G has a CDMA based interface which is much more difficult to hack. Yea. I don't feel unsecure talking on my AT&T phone. But I really have nothing to hide, I just fear stalkers.
If I want to keep something secret like my job stuff, I just use Nextel Direct Connect, which is over a secure encrypted ip network. But stuff really important, I do it the old fashion way. In person  |
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crapmac
Good 'ol Cali.
join:2007-05-03
California
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yes, I have come to expect weird noises on my telephone line, internet connection problems ("unscheduled maintenance"), ususual GSM cell phone static ("the largest All-Digital network"? Ha! My ass it is!), and with anything else electronic, I assume that it is being publicized on the internet as I speak/type.
To me, nothing is "Private", so don't tell anyone anything you don't want the entire country to know, unless it's face-to-face. At first it was creepy to think that someone is listening in on your phone calls, but now when i hear that little clickey noise, I invite them to join the conversation!
the world (or, at least the U.S. of A) is a messed up place, sometimes. 
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you. |
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cowboyro
join:2000-10-11
Bridgeport, CT
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said by N3OGH :Anyone who operates under the illusion of an expectation of privacy over any digital or analog common carrier network is walking through life with rose colored glasses on. Cell phone? Assume someone is listening... Land line? Assume someone is listening... VoIP? Assume someone is listening...... Internet? Assume you're being tracked..... If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD. Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead.... So true!
In the military we had a label on all "field" phones: "ATTENTION! THE ENEMY IS LISTENING!" |
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ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL | reply to N3OGH
Everyone who fears that someone is listening also assumes that what they talk about is interesting or desirable.
In most cases they are neither, therefore most people have nothing to worry about. |
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crapmac
Good 'ol Cali.
join:2007-05-03
California
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| ricep5,
second point - absolutely true. the first one, though, i have to disagree.
even if i'm having the most boring conversation on earth with someone over the telephone, i should still take note if something unusual happens, right?
i'm basing my opinion off of odd experiences, not frivilous daydreaming, and if I act like an arrogant fool and don't realize that some things are no longer private, then some day, if I'm having a conversation that needs to remain private, and I don't take that into note, then my arrogance might just come back and bite me in the ass.
Security is living in Antartica
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crapmac
Good 'ol Cali.
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California
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said by jester121 :You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you. oh I'm not saying that I'm not paranoid - I've just given up with the whole "privacy" thing.
various government agencies have passsed so many laws that are an invasion of privacy (the wiretapping "protect america" or whatever - law, for example), that I just now expect that someone is listening to my phone call, and that I probably shouldn't talk about my illegal drug trafficking from Venezuela (just kiddin'!) over the land line or cell phone (prepaid or otherwise).
remember that story about comcast implementing "face recognition technology" into your cable boxes so that they can "open your DVR recordings list to your preferred list of shows". Total BS. It's gotten so rediculous that I don't expect privacy anymore, see?
link to story: »Your Comcast DVR Is Watching You
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