wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| reply to BF69
Re: FAP
said by BF69  :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Sorry, I completely forgot that everyone is downloading linux distros, not pirating music and video. What was I thinking?? I hope none of the pirates, errrr, linux junkies are offended.
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | I download what I download and I have no problem sleeping at night. |
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JDCMAN
join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to wifi4milez
Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth:
-Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+)
-Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire)
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, or assume that what I'm using my connection for is illegal without clear proof (assuming I violated copyright law, if I downloaded something and the holder complaint letter with verifiable, timestamped information of specific infringement).
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Regardless of all that you dont DL 17GB a day.
And no they should not give you the boot for utilizing the service you paid for. They should give you the boot for abusing the system they allow you to rent from them.
I personally do not favor them booting you. I think they should use throttling tiers and slowly take you back to 256k for the remainder of the month. However, it is in their best interest and the best interest of the remainder of their user's to just terminate people like you. If they lose that 1% causing problems, it is no big deal to them profit wise. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to JDCMAN
Re: FAP
said by JDCMAN :Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth: -Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+) -Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire) How often is ther a service pack? You could download a SP everyday and only use 9 GB in a month.
offsite back-up? Are you going to back up your entire drive every month? or are you going to back up just the new stuff that you haven't backed up yet? You're not going to have that much stuff to back up every month.
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?) That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account.
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, You are paying for internet access. That's all. And if they put in their TOS you can only use 500 GB or whatever of bandwidth then there is nothing you can do about it. There isn't any law requiring them to give you unlimited bandwidth.
No one said you were going to get booted. Either you will be charged extra for overage or your speeds will be reduced.
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? Even HD movie downloads are only 6 GB in size. So even if you download 1 a day that's 180 GB a month. Music? Please I guess if you plan on downloading 100,000 songs every month you might have issues. |
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N10Cities
Is it quittin' time yet?
join:2002-05-07
Podunk, AR
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factchecker
@cox.net
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May 6th, @08:01AM
| reply to Anon
Let's see... A possible Guilt by Association fallacy... Definitely a nice straw man fallacy. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by JDCMAN :-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?) That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account. If I am being charged for a BUSINESS account I expect to be given Business Account type features not just charged more money for the same account as a "residential" account.
This means more than just them upping/eliminating my monthly cap. I want an IPN that is separate from the residential IPN blocks (so I do not get blacklisted if I run an SMTP Server), the right to have my IPN rDNS to my Domain Name not the generic IPN based name, a Static IPN (or at least have the DNS get updated if my DHCP assigned IPN changes), etc. A SLA is NOT something that I would include as required. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them. |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·800Hosting.com
·Dreamhost
·TELUS
·Shaw
| reply to BF69
Shaw cable has had a 100GB cap on their "extreme" (10mbps) service for a long time.
And somehow, I never heard anyone complain about it... funny how that works huh?
Capped service is nowhere near as bad as a lot of people are saying, when the caps are reasonable.
Australians on the other hand have plenty of reason to complain, their caps are downright ridiculous. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them. No I do not. What I am stating is that if the only difference between a "Residential" Account and a so-called "Business" Account is the cost then it is not a TRUE Business Class Account but just a way of charging extra money for no benefit to the user except as protection money to fend off the ISP Goons. What is the extra money supposed to be being charged for and what is the difference in the two accounts? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | None, now bend over. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | reply to RARPSL
There are differences between every business and residential account that I've looked at. Are you assuming that there isn't? |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL :said by openbox9 :Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them. No I do not. What I am stating is that if the only difference between a "Residential" Account and a so-called "Business" Account is the cost then it is not a TRUE Business Class Account but just a way of charging extra money for no benefit to the user except as protection money to fend off the ISP Goons. What is the extra money supposed to be being charged for and what is the difference in the two accounts? I am a bit confused here. Are you questioning if there is a difference between a business account and a residential account?? If so, feel free to go to any providers website and peruse the details yourself. They all very clearly spell out the differences, which generally include (depending on provider of course) but are not limited to:
1) Static IP
2) Ability to run servers without violating the TOS
3) Higher download/upload
4) "Priority" customer service
5) No caps
Some even come with SLA's. I suggest you read a little more about business class products before you comment further. I can also assure you the extra money paid has nothing to do with "protection money" for the "ISP Goons", whatever that even means.
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badFAP
@wildblue.net
| reply to TheMG
The problem, as I see it, is that once the company starts, things only get worse. Satellite internet FAPs are in the range 7.5 to 15 GB/mo or 200 MB/day (download, uploads are typically 1/3 of the download limits) depending on which service you use. The only difference between accounts is the price and the download limit. Cell phones use similar limits simply to make more money; my family has to pay the extra $20/mo because we typically use 750 minutes between our three phones but the cutoff is 700. In summary, I predict that if the cable companies implement FAPs, they will not be 500 GB, they will be 20 GB for the first tier, 50 GB for an extra $20/mo 100 GB for an extra $50/mo; and we will have no choice but to either stop using YouTube etc or pay through our noses. |
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