BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: FAP
said by wbertram  :said by dvd536 :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?
Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up? |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
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| said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better.
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wifi4milez
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| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Sorry, I completely forgot that everyone is downloading linux distros, not pirating music and video. What was I thinking?? I hope none of the pirates, errrr, linux junkies are offended.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | I download what I download and I have no problem sleeping at night. |
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woody7
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Torrance, CA
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| reply to BF69
Bit torrent.....? 
I think that most people just want to know what the "limit" is, but the cable co's don't want a well defined limit.But as stated earlier, there are some that abuse. Now they will say that if there isn't a cap listed, then how can they abuse...?(If you put a cap in, and that is more than most use/need then they will stay just below) Agreed... this is never going to satisfy anyone....
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JDCMAN
join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
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| reply to wifi4milez
Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth:
-Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+)
-Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire)
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, or assume that what I'm using my connection for is illegal without clear proof (assuming I violated copyright law, if I downloaded something and the holder complaint letter with verifiable, timestamped information of specific infringement).
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? |
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kelso
join:2007-04-06
Ashburn, VA
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up? With logic like that, Comcast could just increase the rates, or set a cap that would pick up some bucks from unaware customers. Rinse and repeat every 6 months.
How many people even know what how much they down/up load per month ? Not many !
Yes, the essence of the situation, they currently don't need to know. But, as soon as they get hit with an overage charge, they will get pissed.
Well I guess it's better to get pissed off than pissed on.
But, What are they going to do, go back to dial-up ? |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to JDCMAN
Regardless of all that you dont DL 17GB a day.
And no they should not give you the boot for utilizing the service you paid for. They should give you the boot for abusing the system they allow you to rent from them.
I personally do not favor them booting you. I think they should use throttling tiers and slowly take you back to 256k for the remainder of the month. However, it is in their best interest and the best interest of the remainder of their user's to just terminate people like you. If they lose that 1% causing problems, it is no big deal to them profit wise. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to JDCMAN
Re: FAP
said by JDCMAN :Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth: -Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+) -Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire) How often is ther a service pack? You could download a SP everyday and only use 9 GB in a month.
offsite back-up? Are you going to back up your entire drive every month? or are you going to back up just the new stuff that you haven't backed up yet? You're not going to have that much stuff to back up every month.
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?) That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account.
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, You are paying for internet access. That's all. And if they put in their TOS you can only use 500 GB or whatever of bandwidth then there is nothing you can do about it. There isn't any law requiring them to give you unlimited bandwidth.
No one said you were going to get booted. Either you will be charged extra for overage or your speeds will be reduced.
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? Even HD movie downloads are only 6 GB in size. So even if you download 1 a day that's 180 GB a month. Music? Please I guess if you plan on downloading 100,000 songs every month you might have issues. |
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N10Cities
Is it quittin' time yet?
join:2002-05-07
Podunk, AR
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pfak
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Canada
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| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better. Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law.
[root@crash ~]# ./bw.sh -g
1524.67GB in 152 days (10.03GB per day) |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
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Yes, and then, the NEXT top 1% get booted... repeat as needed until you have only people on social security using the service and getting shutdown because they can't afford the bills. Convenient, innit, for cablecos? People like you are going to be next in line, you don't seem to understand, do you?
BTW, ever streamed high-quality video by any chance? Downloaded Fedora Core 8? I bet not, but those are only a few of future uses on teh interwebs... new times, new needs. Cablecos are about to learn the hard way that treating customers like $hit just doesn't cut it. When you piss off a few geeks, the effect goes much farther than that. They in turn will badmouth the company when asked for their opinions, and trust me, many people DO turn to the geeks when it comes to THEIR internet choices.
BTW, you know perfectly well that it's not BitTorrent they hate, it's IPTV-style streaming of competing video products. It's clearly a direct threat to their business. Why should Comcast spend money to enhance the delivery pipe of a competing service? Instead, they choose to start putting caps and throttling on their service, conveniently enough blaming it on "illegal" file sharing aka BitTorrent. Amazing, and the most ironic part is that people like BF69 actually support them and stick up for 'em.
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Let's see... A possible Guilt by Association fallacy... Definitely a nice straw man fallacy. |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to pfak
said by pfak :Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law. Are you suggesting that your traffic is representative of the overwhelming majority of high bandwidth users? |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to a333
said by a333 :Yes, and then, the NEXT top 1% get booted... repeat as needed until you have only people on social security using the service and getting shutdown because they can't afford the bills. Convenient, innit, for cablecos? People like you are going to be next in line, you don't seem to understand, do you? It doesn't quite work that way. People die every day and yet the world population continues to increase. Comcast adds more new subs every year than they cut off due to abuse. Right now it works out that the top 0.1% of folks that Comcast is contacting are using more than 100 times more than the average user. When that stops being the case I'm sure they'll adjust the strategy.
said by a333 :BTW, you know perfectly well that it's not BitTorrent they hate, it's IPTV-style streaming of competing video products. It's clearly a direct threat to their business. IPTV isn't a significant threat to the broadcast/cable/satellite TV business. The limitations of the technology will prevent any Internet-based IPTV solution from scaling large enough to make a significant dent in TV content delivery. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by JDCMAN :-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?) That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account. If I am being charged for a BUSINESS account I expect to be given Business Account type features not just charged more money for the same account as a "residential" account.
This means more than just them upping/eliminating my monthly cap. I want an IPN that is separate from the residential IPN blocks (so I do not get blacklisted if I run an SMTP Server), the right to have my IPN rDNS to my Domain Name not the generic IPN based name, a Static IPN (or at least have the DNS get updated if my DHCP assigned IPN changes), etc. A SLA is NOT something that I would include as required. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them. |
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knightmb
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·Comcast
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·Speakeasy
| reply to kelso
said by kelso :said by BF69 :Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up? With logic like that, Comcast could just increase the rates, or set a cap that would pick up some bucks from unaware customers. Rinse and repeat every 6 months. How many people even know what how much they down/up load per month ? Not many ! Yes, the essence of the situation, they currently don't need to know. But, as soon as they get hit with an overage charge, they will get pissed. Well I guess it's better to get pissed off than pissed on. But, What are they going to do, go back to dial-up ? I can tell you as a small ISP myself that the "causal" users still use 2 or 3 GB daily. The power users burn up every bit of bandwidth they pay for and we don't worry about it because as an ISP we are more concerned with keeping everything up to date and keeping service running smoothly.
It's amazing how much traffic shaping can ease congestion problems even if your link is maxed out 24/7.
5 to 10 ms difference in access times doesn't make a lot of difference to any of our customers since they want fast Internet for cheap. I know of a customer who does more than 17GB daily because they have kids that watch a ton of online content from you tube, myspace, and other free kid sites that have games, etc.
Comcast and the others aren't stupid, they are a business, and the business is about making money. I run a business, we have the same goal to make money, about the only difference is we aren't concerned about chipping away at everyone's wallet who isn't paying attention in the name of better service. |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
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| reply to BF69
Shaw cable has had a 100GB cap on their "extreme" (10mbps) service for a long time.
And somehow, I never heard anyone complain about it... funny how that works huh?
Capped service is nowhere near as bad as a lot of people are saying, when the caps are reasonable.
Australians on the other hand have plenty of reason to complain, their caps are downright ridiculous. |
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