wbertram
join:2005-08-19
Allentown, PA
| reply to dvd536
Re: FAP
said by dvd536  :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by wbertram :said by dvd536 :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?
Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up? |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better.
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Sorry, I completely forgot that everyone is downloading linux distros, not pirating music and video. What was I thinking?? I hope none of the pirates, errrr, linux junkies are offended.
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | I download what I download and I have no problem sleeping at night. |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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| reply to BF69
Bit torrent.....? 
I think that most people just want to know what the "limit" is, but the cable co's don't want a well defined limit.But as stated earlier, there are some that abuse. Now they will say that if there isn't a cap listed, then how can they abuse...?(If you put a cap in, and that is more than most use/need then they will stay just below) Agreed... this is never going to satisfy anyone....
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JDCMAN
join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to wifi4milez
Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth:
-Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+)
-Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire)
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, or assume that what I'm using my connection for is illegal without clear proof (assuming I violated copyright law, if I downloaded something and the holder complaint letter with verifiable, timestamped information of specific infringement).
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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·Comcast
| reply to wbertram
said by wbertram :said by dvd536 :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! Yes, caps are coming and only the worst abusers will get hit, as they should.
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| reply to wbertram
said by wbertram :said by dvd536 :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser?
Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? |
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kelso
join:2007-04-06
Ashburn, VA
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up? With logic like that, Comcast could just increase the rates, or set a cap that would pick up some bucks from unaware customers. Rinse and repeat every 6 months.
How many people even know what how much they down/up load per month ? Not many !
Yes, the essence of the situation, they currently don't need to know. But, as soon as they get hit with an overage charge, they will get pissed.
Well I guess it's better to get pissed off than pissed on.
But, What are they going to do, go back to dial-up ? |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to MrSpock29
said by MrSpock29 :... Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? why yes, they should.
but they don't have to because there is little or no competition. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to JDCMAN
Regardless of all that you dont DL 17GB a day.
And no they should not give you the boot for utilizing the service you paid for. They should give you the boot for abusing the system they allow you to rent from them.
I personally do not favor them booting you. I think they should use throttling tiers and slowly take you back to 256k for the remainder of the month. However, it is in their best interest and the best interest of the remainder of their user's to just terminate people like you. If they lose that 1% causing problems, it is no big deal to them profit wise. |
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dadkins
Merry Whatever
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
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| reply to MrSpock29
It goes by market.
Say you are in a market where 300GB is doable and you do it, but I am in a market that only 100GB is doable... Comcast will most likely set EVERYONE to the lowest across the board.
Now YOU would be an abuser and get "The Call" or booted.
Sound tasty?
Not that either number above(100 or 300GB) would ever affect most subs(or me), I know a couple people that think 100GB per month would suck!
Do you really want to get low-balled?
What if they nail us all at... 60GB? 50GB?
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
| reply to MrSpock29
said by MrSpock29 :Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage.
As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to MrSpock29
said by MrSpock29 :said by wbertram :said by dvd536 :For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser? Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? Um that's kind of the point of the article. They WOULD have a clear defined cap. ALL isps have caps. I can guarantee that. I doubt you could download a TB or 2 of data without your ISP bringing to your attention that you're using too much bandwidth. So why not just be open about it?
of curse they'd have to give you tools to track your usuage. Ther are actually tools you can use right now. I like DU Meter. You can get a free 30 trial
»www.download.com/DU-Meter/3000-2···10760704 |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| reply to Ebolla
Re: FAP
said by Ebolla :said by MrSpock29 :Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage. As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps. Yes, I do realize that a hard cap will be lower, as Comcast top brass has said this. As far as tracking, most people, including myself, don't know how to track usage, and usage varies depending on slingbox usage, youtube, a few wireless computers and other users in the house, etc. Providing a tracking tool shouldn't be that hard. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to JDCMAN
said by JDCMAN :Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth: -Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+) -Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire) How often is ther a service pack? You could download a SP everyday and only use 9 GB in a month.
offsite back-up? Are you going to back up your entire drive every month? or are you going to back up just the new stuff that you haven't backed up yet? You're not going to have that much stuff to back up every month.
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?) That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account.
I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, You are paying for internet access. That's all. And if they put in their TOS you can only use 500 GB or whatever of bandwidth then there is nothing you can do about it. There isn't any law requiring them to give you unlimited bandwidth.
No one said you were going to get booted. Either you will be charged extra for overage or your speeds will be reduced.
Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised? Even HD movie downloads are only 6 GB in size. So even if you download 1 a day that's 180 GB a month. Music? Please I guess if you plan on downloading 100,000 songs every month you might have issues. |
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N10Cities
Is it quittin' time yet?
join:2002-05-07
Podunk, AR
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pfak
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join:2002-12-29
Canada
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| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :said by BF69 :Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY? Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better. Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law.
[root@crash ~]# ./bw.sh -g
1524.67GB in 152 days (10.03GB per day) |
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