Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20433317 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:34:37 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:34:37 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435423 ElJay : Biased or not, the guy has a point about the prices of the Blu-Ray software. Often they're charging twice the cost of a normal DVD and most people (me included) simply don't see the benefit. I love the idea of HD video and lossless audio but not to where I'm ready to spend twice as much on every title.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435423 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:19:29 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433872 Dogfather :
said by BF69 See Profile :

The PSP and DS can be compared to each other. To compare either to a XBOX 360, Wii or PS3 or PS2 is ludicris. apples and oranges. Since computers play games how come computer sales aren't counted in the stats? WHY because it wouldn't make sense.
By your logic the PSP and DS aren't competitors because the PSP technology is far superior. But of course they do as you acknowledge because they take business from one another, just as the Wii takes business from Sony and even Sony takes business from Sony (as people buy PS2 instead of PS3).

And ABSOLUTELY consoles and gaming PCs compete for business. With no gaming PCs you would sell more consoles and without consoles you would sell more gaming PCs. They are competitors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433872 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:15:15 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433850 Dogfather :
said by BF69 See Profile :

Does the DS really compete with the 360? Of course not.
But it doesn't compete not because of the technology, but because they don't take business from each other.

There is no arguing that the Wii, XBOX 360, PS2 don't TAKE sales away from the PS3, just as the PS3 takes sales from the other consoles (just not as much).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433850 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:11:34 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433843 Dogfather :
said by EPS See Profile :

I'm thinking of the market here, not technology. When someone is looking to buy a game system, do you really think them buying a Wii has no effect on whether they buy a PS3 or an Xbox?
EXACTLY!

The fact that it does is what defines the Wii as a competitor. Hell, the PS2 is a competitor of the PS3 as it certainly still outsells it and people certainly choose to buy a PS2 whereas if it were absent may have bought a PS3.

The technology does define competition. The marketplace and buyers determine it. When someone chooses another product INSTEAD of the PS3, then that product is by definition the competing product whether Sony or their fanboys like it or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433843 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:09:42 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433724 EPS : Why buy any modern system when you can get a Genesis/NES?SNES/Etc. for practically pennies, and get tons of good games? The Wii isn't your cup of tea, fine, but that doesn't mean you can't put it in the same category.

And I spend a lot of time playing DS games even at home, when I could be using a console- if there was no DS, would I be perhaps be using my main system, buying more games, etc?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433724 Mon, 05 May 2008 10:41:29 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433455 BF69 :
said by EPS See Profile :

I'm thinking of the market here, not technology. When someone is looking to buy a game system, do you really think them buying a Wii has no effect on whether they buy a PS3 or an Xbox?
I can't help people are dumb. If the Wii fanboys statement of "graphics aren't everything" is in fact true then why not get a PS2 which is HALF the price of a Wii, has over 1500 games out and most are under $25. Why spend the extra money? For a gimmicky controller? That's a HUGE turn off for me and many others I've spoken too.

Also as it was said PSP and DS sales are counted in the same group as the others. Now really is someone looking to get a portable game system going to be considering a console or vice versa? Does the DS really compete with the 360? Of course not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433455 Mon, 05 May 2008 09:27:23 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433437 EPS : I'm thinking of the market here, not technology. When someone is looking to buy a game system, do you really think them buying a Wii has no effect on whether they buy a PS3 or an Xbox?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433437 Mon, 05 May 2008 09:19:47 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433427 BF69 :
said by EPS See Profile :

Nintendo's statement was basically a hedge- the GC was essentially a failure, they'd lost sales and market share with every console they'd released since the NES, and they were trying to cover themselves if the Wii followed in its footsteps, as was expected by many analysts. (Underpowered, gimmicky, no third-parties, Nintendo is too kiddy, etc.) Nevertheless, they never said it wasn't "next-gen" (you must have a really weird definition of that term),
Using the same technology as a sytam that came out in 2000 certainly isn't "next-gen" in my book.

Iwata: Wii Is Not Next Gen

Iwata is the President of Nintendo. By the way

»www.n4g.com/News-936.aspx

but that they didn't see it as being in the same market as the PS3 and Xbox 360.
Exactly which is why it irks me when people try to compare them to the 360 and PS3.

There are no mystical market divisions in the video game business anyway
there should be. The PSP and DS can be compared to each other. To compare either to a XBOX 360, Wii or PS3 or PS2 is ludicris. apples and oranges. Since computers play games how come computer sales aren't counted in the stats? WHY because it wouldn't make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433427 Mon, 05 May 2008 09:16:31 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433353 Dogfather : Of course there are market divisions in the VG business. These companies release these consoles and handhelds in response to one another. Just because the Wii isn't 1080P doesn't make it not a competitor in the TV top console business.

What determines competition is what products people consider when they buy. If there was no Wii, would there be more PS3's sold? Absolutely. If there was no DS sold, would there be more PS3's sold? Unlikely.

People, not fanboys determine what is competition and when it comes to parents going into Best Buy considering a console, the 3 products in their heads are Wii, 360 and PS3 (and PS2 if they don't already have one).

So while Nintendo may explain away lower graphics capability in exchange for revolutionary controls and a much lower price, it doesn't make the Wii any less of a competitor to Microsoft and Sony's flagship consoles in the marketplace.

Wii is a direct competitor to the PS3 and 360 by virtue of the fact they take sales from them. Doesn't matter what the specs are. And yes, if the Atari VCS were still on the market and was stealing sales from the PS3, of course it would be a competitor. But my guess is no one would buy a VCS INSTEAD of a PS3 like people buy Wii INSTEAD of PS3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433353 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:47:50 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433317 Dogfather : Yep, Wii isn't competing with the PS3. LOL. I suppose the Gamecube didn't compete with the PS2 or N64 with the PS1.

Yep, I'm a hater, I hate the DRM in BD, I hate the price of BD and I hate how painfully slow it loads. I hate it when I'm in a cut scene in GTAIV and it locks up. I hate that despite being out a year the PS3 library still largely sucks ass and the good titles are continuously pushed back.

It's not biased when you don't bother defending what can't be defended. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433317 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:37:11 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433305 EPS : Nintendo's statement was basically a hedge- the GC was essentially a failure, they'd lost sales and market share with every console they'd released since the NES, and they were trying to cover themselves if the Wii followed in its footsteps, as was expected by many analysts. (Underpowered, gimmicky, no third-parties, Nintendo is too kiddy, etc.) Nevertheless, they never said it wasn't "next-gen" (you must have a really weird definition of that term), but that they didn't see it as being in the same market as the PS3 and Xbox 360.

There are no mystical market divisions in the video game business anyway- the Wii competes with the PS2, sure- and the PS3, the Xbox 360, the PSP, Nintendo's own DS... each has advantages and disadvantages, and many people own multiple systems...

Of course, the system I play most is my Sega Genesis CDX :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433305 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:31:44 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433300 BF69 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Sure guy, Wii doesn't count. GC was Nintendo's PS2 whipping boy. But nice try.

It doesn't matter what YOU think is competition, it's what people are buying. And yes, despite XBOX 360 having a head start, it continues to outsell PS3 month to month unless MS has a hardware shortage like they did last month.
So all those retro Atari 2600s should count too? It's a game sytem isn't it? Please. Apples to Apples.

Sony isn't a religon, you don't have to make continuous excuses for their failures. Those were caused by poor decisions by Sony execs. I have 2 PS3's but like most people, bought them for games (too bad there aren't any good ones, especially with my GTA4 locking up, GRRRRRRRR) and looking at the poor sales of BD media, I'm in the majority.

Wonder what the Sony fanboys will say next. Blu-Ray is #1 in home video because DVD doesn't count. LOL. Yeah.

Take off the blinders and get some objectivity.
Sorry not a fanboy. YOU however are a hater just like the guy in the article. The fact you can't even admit his article is totally baised is proof of that. I don't own a PS3 by the way I do have a XBOX 360. nice try.

Talk about blinders, it's YOU that has them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433300 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:29:14 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433267 Dogfather : Sure guy, Wii doesn't count. GC was Nintendo's PS2 whipping boy. But nice try.

It doesn't matter what YOU think is competition, it's what people are buying. And yes, despite XBOX 360 having a head start, it continues to outsell PS3 month to month unless MS has a hardware shortage like they did last month.

Sony isn't a religon, you don't have to make continuous excuses for their failures. Those were caused by poor decisions by Sony execs. I have 2 PS3's but like most people, bought them for games (too bad there aren't any good ones, especially with my GTA4 locking up, GRRRRRRRR) and looking at the poor sales of BD media, I'm in the majority.

Wonder what the Sony fanboys will say next. Blu-Ray is #1 in home video because DVD doesn't count. LOL. Yeah.

Take off the blinders and get some objectivity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433267 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:18:22 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433250 BF69 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

It was up over this time last year, but sales are in the toilet over the short term. And even then, it's easy to increase 351% when you don't sell any to begin with.

Players are too expensive for the moderate increase in quality of upscaled DVD.

All BD managed to do for PS3 was taken Sony from 1st to 3rd in the console biz.
Ah that Sony hate is strong within you. 3rd? sorry wii doesn't count. It's in competition with the PS2. You can't tell me otherwise. Even Nintendo says the wii is NOT Next-Gen. XBOX 360 had a year head start. It's already is growing obsolete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433250 Mon, 05 May 2008 08:11:38 EDT Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433204 Dogfather : It was up over this time last year, but sales are in the toilet over the short term. And even then, it's easy to increase 351% when you don't sell any to begin with.

Players are too expensive for the moderate increase in quality over upscaled DVD.

All BD managed to do for PS3 was take Sony from 1st to 3rd in the console biz. Given the number of PS3's Sony did manage to sell compared to the dismal sales of BD media, people are apparently buying PS3's for games, not to play the DRM inflected overpriced movies. Meanwhile instead of both Timmy and Jimmy getting their own consoles, BD components run up the price to the point a family can only buy 1.

Only a mfg shortage by the idiots at Redmond allowed PS3 to catch Microsoft last month and Nintendo despite their continued shortages continue to clobber Sony.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433204 Mon, 05 May 2008 07:48:09 EDT Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433190 BF69 : Nothing like bisaed "journalism". Jeez the author could at least ATTEMPT to look partial. I like how all these idiot( most who probably own a $200 HD-DVD "paperweight" rag on blu-ray. I could have sworn I read an article that said I the 1st quarter of 2008 blu-ray sales are up 351%.

Also totaly ignores the PS3 as a blu-ray player. Of course if you already own a PS3 you aren't going to go out and buy a stand alone player DUH.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433190 Mon, 05 May 2008 07:41:58 EDT