Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO in Wireless ISP users chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20413301 en Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:17:52 EDT Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:17:52 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20679327 dMarks : The only issue with Millenicom at this time is that they're not accepting new customers. This may have something to do with Sprint putting in a 5GB cap but not enforcing such a cap on Millenicom's customers. They may have told Millenicom that they cannot add any more new customers to the service, and as such not issuing any more CDU-680s to them. Millenicom is trying to get a new device approved by the FCC, but are having issues with that so it may be some time before they start accepting new customers.

As for those seeking antennas for their service, if you are a ways from the tower and have obstacles in the way such as trees or small hills, and do not have LOS to the tower, you may want to look into getting a Panel antenna. They are directional like a Yagi, but are said to give better results when no LOS is available.
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In searching for a Hughes alternative, found all cellular carriers do have download limits or verbage saying cannot be used as sole internet source, etc. Millenicom has no such restrictions and no taxes associated with cellular wireless modems/cards.
Franklin USB modem is connected to router serving 3 computers via ethernet and wireless. Speakeasy speed test = 949 down, 482 up. Connection speed is variable but am very happy with the service overall...and no FAP. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20566093 Fri, 30 May 2008 20:21:32 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20546292 WirelessInn : Greetings!

Just stumbled by this forum... Following several days' worth of first calm, then bickering like conversations with HughesNet "tech supp" guys with strangely suspicious, all too "American sounding" first names. Nothing is coming of it: current HughesNet service in our area is to remain problematic "until we increase load carrying capacity" as they say! They are "planning to improve service" - pretty vague promise overall. Meanwhile I am left with SUB DIALUP upspeeds most of the time - difficult to update my websites... The sow upspeeds just causes timeouts!

I am just gonna butt in for a moment... I started checking into this forum for the following reasons:
1. I live in rural New Mexico - no certain hope of any DSL soon (third worldish here for sure!!)
2. I have used HughesNet sat service for almost 3 years. Used to be not too bad (hey, compared to DialUp which maxed out at 26k here!!). i was getting 800 and up download speed, 170 and up upspeeds during normal (non peak) Times. Now, and HughesNet admit to this, sat overload and other factors are severely limiting my service - especially uploads (frequently - even outside of peak times) 22, 30, perhaps 70.
3. A friend of mine uses Verizon b'band in the big NM town Albuquerque. Seems to work quite well, and even here in the country.
4. I have learned that one can even get wireless routers to use with b'band cards and therefore wirelessly connected computers; to wit:

»www.macworld.com/article/131843/···503.html

Amazing, PROMISING!

Any advice here on whether telco b'band (Verizon most likely here) would be something I need to look at? I use all this for business a lot (banking online, money transfers, etc...) and I do operate currently a couple of wireless networks to tie it all together (using Linksys WRT54GL routers) .

I'll appreciate any advice... or redirection elsewhere for better info!

- Roger T]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20546292 Tue, 27 May 2008 14:19:48 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20544776 WMLARRY : Your signature line shows you are running XP, which means you can run DRTCP. On this page, click on "tools". That will open a page where you can receive many options. Download DRTCP and save to desktop. You can change a number of things using DRTCP, but the most important is your receive window.Read the FAQ about DRTCP. Any time you change a setting in DRTCP you will need to click on "save" and reboot to save those settings.

Then run the "Tweak" test from the same page, and it will reccommend settings to change in DRTCP to speed up your connection.

Hope this helps you.
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I rebooted and turned off my fire wall. Still slow. Any ideas to speed this up? External antenna?

Thanks for any help!


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I get a very low unusable signal for evdo because I am in a "known trouble area". I bought an outdoor directional yagi antenna and a Wilson amplifier.

Using a cell phone in test mode, I found a spot on my house where the antenna worked good and pointed it in the right direction. Then I hooked up the amplifier.

I now have a strong usable signal. If you get some signal now and the Sprint modem has an external antenna connection, this could work for you with the lower Sprint signal. Wilson also has a kind of "stick on" connector for modems without an external antenna connection.

Others on this thread are using the omni-directional Wilson antenna. I bought the omni and tried it first, but the yagi directional antenna worked much better.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496678 Sat, 17 May 2008 01:40:40 EDT Re: sprint compass 597 VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495916 Downrange : Why is the limit 5gb? I hate it too, because I dare not share the connection with my kids - they don't pay attention to the size of what they're downloading as much as I do, so I know they'd eventually cost me lots of bucks.

The bright side, if there is one, is that VZW is doing this to keep away the heavy bw users, which means things should stay faster, longer. I hope (and kind of believe, actually) that they will up the 5 gb at some point, or else offer an "enhanced download" of say 8-10 gb, for 10 or 20 bucks more. I'd probably pay it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495916 Fri, 16 May 2008 22:12:40 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495890 Jim_in_VA : you need to check »antennasearch.com/ if you want to locate the towers near you]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495890 Fri, 16 May 2008 22:05:27 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495834 or270 : Try-
evdomaps.com/

www.nextel.com/en/shop/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495834 Fri, 16 May 2008 21:49:19 EDT sprint compass 597 VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495727 anon : I have recently purchased both of these cards to try out in my area. After testing them both I have found that the verizon gets a much faster download rate. I was getting about 1300 kbs where with sprint i was at 600 or so and then suddenly my sprint went down to speeds of 200 which is really dissappointing considering the 5GB limit on verizon. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I may make the sprint rate increase? It makes no sense to me that they both get a full signal yet one is so much faster than the other. I want the verizon but after one day of use I was already at 250MB which would definitely put me over the 5GB limit. Why cant they all just have unlimited........]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495727 Fri, 16 May 2008 21:29:52 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20491368 video : Thanks, but I was wondering if I could find a map of the actual locations of the cell towers or service antennas?
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»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/Cove···roadband]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489345 Thu, 15 May 2008 19:23:29 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488291 anon : With Sprint you just go to their site--sprint.com--and click on mobile broadband cards, then enter you zip and then check the coverage map. That is how I found out I was covered with EVDO. I did find out that not all Sprint served areas have EVDO. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488291 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:25:53 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485571 video : Where would I find a map with the locations of the Verizon and Sprint antennas? This all sounds interesting but I'm a little hesitant concerning the 5Gig limit, worth looking into though.

Thanks
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said by Mark440

PS - I do have a nice pic of the dish and pole in the bucket of the tractor..... :)
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I'd love to see that photo!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480339 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:11:19 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478075 dbirdman : I doubt that there is significant traffic just from having the card on, but any connected computer is obviously a possible source of traffic. Like David, I have Sprint, so no worries - mine is on all of the time even when I'm somewhere that I don't use it. That is my case right now, on the Wenatchee River at Monitor - it is very slow dialup-equivalent, so satellite walks all over it.
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I never exceeded the monthly limit (days x daily limit) for HughesNet, but sometimes exceeded the daily limit. I leave my MBR1000 router--and Sprint modem--on all the time just like I did for HughesNet. So far, I haven't had any problem. There is a forum that I read and found useful before making the decision. The issue of keeping it on or turning if off is discussed in the posts. My impression is that many if not most keep it on:

»www.evdoforums.com/

David]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477916 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:45:01 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477600 bigdawwg : David, one thing you didn't address from Marks post, and I am curious as well.....

"Also, outside of unplugging the um150 from the router - is there a means to turn off the service when not in use? I have the Verizon 5g service plan and am wondering if just always leaving the device 'connected' runs up the meter."

I'm thinking maybe you have to log on to your router to disconnect?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477600 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:51:20 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477501 anon : Ok, let me explain the way that I had my internet set up before so you understand my approach to it. I use wireless at home. I have two home computers--one a laptop and on a desktop. I had the HughesNet 7000S modem connected to a Linksys wireless access point (WAP), not a router. The laptop computer had wireless b built in, and my desktop had a wireless g usb device. It was plug an play--although I found that DHCP didn't work as well as a fixed ip. I also had a wireless print server to connect to my USB printer.

The MBR1000 is a wireless b,g or n router as well as a four port rj-45 router on the back side. It also has a usb port for a printer on the back side. It accepts either a broadband USB or expresscard modem on the left side. You can't use the USB in the back for the broadband modem. The router is about the side of your hand--a little thicker, but no longer or wider.

The MBR1000 is built by a company owned by Sierra Wireless, so most of their USB and expresscard modems work with it once it has completed the firmware upgrade. The 3G Store upgrades the router firmware if you buy the modem from them.

You simply plug in the USB or expresscard modem to the port on the side, turn the router on (plug it in), and it automatically connects with the service provider. You don't have to do anything else. There are several options for modifying the plug and play connection-e.g., the provider gives you a static IP or a specific user name or password.

You can connect directly from your computer to the router using an rj-45 cable or using a wireless connection. Both my son's laptop and my desktop connected on the first try (with the new firmware code). When you do that, the router simply asks for the default password for the router and then that computer's mac address is mapped permanently if you choose to do so.

You can also add additional security both in the router itself and in the connection between the router and your device. I bought a wireless HP printer and it connects to the router effortlessly. I also bought a third laptop with wireless g, and bought a usb wireless n device for the desktop, and both connected without difficulty.

David ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477501 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:31:38 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477073 Downrange : I hear ya! Well, after using the USBx2 hook-up and buiding a cardboard box and foil corner reflector, I'm getting around 1K or so regularly now (5 miles from the only tower).

I'll take it. I can't begin to tell you the problems I've had with Hughes - it's truly a book.

Anyway, keeping WildBlue for back up and heavy downloading (I get 12 gig/month from them).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477073 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:02:31 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474119 savillehill :
said by Downrange See Profile :

Wow, visiting Reston, VA this evening and I guess there ARE perks to putting up with the insane rat race up here!
You don't have to face the "rat race" to get great performance... I'm in the boonies near Lexington, VA, and performance here is just as good...



I was soooo happy to close out my Earthlink (lack of tech support) account after seven years of struggling with HughesNet!!!
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Looking to buy the mbr1000 router with a usb um150 (verizon). The part I am just not clear about is how does each pc on the network (wired) connect? Does each one still use the verizon connection manager? Also, outside of unplugging the um150 from the router - is there a means to turn off the service when not in use? I have the Verizon 5g service plan and am wondering if just always leaving the device 'connected' runs up the meter.

In insight would be appreciated!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474010 Tue, 13 May 2008 07:02:25 EDT Huges,Direct-TV-GM- Whomever http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473865 KIDPUTER : :mad:
I have worked with these Sats for well over 15 years more like almost 20 it seems and there are some things you can do to speed things up. One of them is to get ahold of some of the old PCI modem cards or just , oh well e-mail , me ok?
later]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473865 Tue, 13 May 2008 04:25:48 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464653 anon : I have put up with Hughes for 4 years now - and after using the Verizon service for a few hours - I promptly got out the tractor and yanked that damned dish right out of the ground. It's been a long, long time coming...and yes, it felt soooo damned good to trash the dish.

With a Pantech UM-150 and the Verizon service, I am able to log in to my bank site without getting a time-out. With Hughes, it would usually time out on each page during the login. Hughes tech support wanted $125 to send out a tech to re-align the dish - for the 5th or 6th time.

So far, I'm happy. I'm not a gamer so I can't speak for how well Verizon's service would hold up. But for GP browsing and average daily use - it beats the crap out of Hughes.

Can anyone say: b-bye hughes?

PS - I do have a nice pic of the dish and pole in the bucket of the tractor..... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464653 Sun, 11 May 2008 09:23:30 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461523 anon : :)Hasta La vista all. I got my MBR1000 router several days ago. I got it from the 3Gstore.com. The instructions were good except for one thing. It isn't plug and play necessarily until you install the firmware upgrade from the disk supplied by them. The original firmware code is on the modem when it arrives--1.0 and the current version is 1.2. My Compass 597 usb modem wasn't recognized until the upgrade, and I couldn't access the router with my wireless PC either until the upgrade. I had to use a cable connection to perform the firmware upgrade. The satellite modem cable wouldn't work for the PC to router connection--it is a crossover cable I guess? Once the firmware upgrade was completed, the wireless connection worked and the router recognized the Compass 597 usb modem. The router connects automatically to the phone modem. You don't have to do anything at all after the firmware upgrade. By the way, the MBR1000 works very well with the HughesNet 7000S satellite modem. So, if you buy the router, and decide satellite is better for you after testing, it isn't a loss at all. I cancelled my HughesNet service today. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461523 Sat, 10 May 2008 13:15:45 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20434433 Highlander87 : I'm also test driving the Verizon EV-DO USB727 and LOVE it!!! I can finally VPN into my company's servers and work directly on them. Whohoo, who would have thunk it! I just received the wilson omni trucker antenna and will be putting that up on our roof (2 story) this week sometime to see if I can get a better signal. Right now with the 727 on the end of a 6 ft USB extension cable, draped over my office door on the second floor I get 1-2 bars, 88-101 dBm, and have been as high as 1037 down, 455 up but average around 800 down and 300 up. I can get 2-3 bars on our deck on the tower side of the house. Once the antenna is up and I order the Cradlepoint MBR1000 router I'm going to be using the good ol' hughes dish for target practice.

I'm 2.9 miles from the tower, elevation at my house is about 243ft and at tower is 360ft. Nothing higher than tower in between - all woods.

So long Hughes...It's been fun...NOT :D I actually haven't suffered too badly with Hughes, speeds haven't degraded as badly at certain times of day like others, but I've had issues dealing with tech support when I had a bad transponder and then the FAP limits and now the email debacle and not being able to VPN into my office were the last straws.
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Wow, visiting Reston, VA this evening and I guess there ARE perks to putting up with the insane rat race up here!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20431636 Sun, 04 May 2008 20:35:29 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20430440 anon : Now, in all fairness I am giving Sprint a 30 day tryout. There may be a downside that I don't know about yet. The Compass modem is a usb modem. I have a MBR1000 Wireless N router on order which is claimed to be compatible with most Sprint and Verizon modems, including the Compass 597, right out of the box. I will let you know if it works as advertised. I only have two home computers on HughesNet right now using a Linksys Wireless G access point connected to the 7000S modem. I am less than 1/4 mile from the cell tower. I haven't tried it elsewhere yet. I am getting at least about 1500 Kb down and 400-500 up, and frequently over 2000 Kb down and 700 up even in prime time. The latency for Spring seems to be about 100-200 ms compared to 800-1000 ms with Hughes. Of course, the test results are very dependent upon the test server selected. There is an EVDO forum for equipment as well as providers. It is worth reading. I learned a lot there.

»www.evdoforums.com/
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20430440 Sun, 04 May 2008 15:07:27 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20429351 Downrange : Yep. Did a little research on-line last nite on all these antennas and such, pretty interesting. The Wilson omni appears to be designed mainly to bolt up to a vehicle, but it does say "external use" for homes, as well. Comes with 12 feet of RG-58, which is horrendously lossy stuff. The Yagi antennas I found do not come with cable, at all. I may just home-brew something up here and try it, although really small Yagis can be a crap shoot.
The rural model appeals. Part of my decision process on EVDO is that a two-year commitment should be OK, in that it will probably take a lot longer than that for the single tower out here to reach saturation, as the pop density is just so low. I do wish VZW would offer a larger bandwidth plan than 5 gb/month, as I'd like to let my kids use this connection, but fear they'd push me over with all the youtube, et al. Plan now is to keep the Wildblue, as it's good for around 12 GB/month, use it for most large downloads and keep the kids on it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20429351 Sun, 04 May 2008 09:36:00 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428706 padds : A nice side effect of the technology is that the more rural the tower, the less data traffic on it. If I take my EVDO or 3G setup to work in a metro area the speeds suck, come south of the city and bam back to good all over again.

My speeds improved with the better booster antenna then just the internal one sitting on top of the monitor, no more retransmits it seems. And a hearty thumbs up to the Cradlepoint MBR1000 router, it makes it a breeze.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428706 Sun, 04 May 2008 00:59:44 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428097 Downrange : Dang! that Wilson Omni must really work!!

Congrats!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428097 Sat, 03 May 2008 22:05:27 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427530 bigdawwg : I'm getting only 2 bars, and I'm at least 9 miles from the tower. I'm still using the Wilson Omni, about 18 feet in the air.


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House: 2-3 Bars on the UM-150 and 3 on the Verizon software (haven't figured out how to get the dbM readings yet). Typical down/up is 800/200 or so. I am nearly five miles from the tower, with a fairly good "shot."

Post Office: around 3/4 mile overland and downhill a bit from the large tower. 5 bars and 1200/400.

Sitting at the base of the tower: 5 bars and 1400/600.

Hmm... maybe I WILL look into putting a yagi and small amp on the close-in tower! Anyone know what the consumer level stuff has for coax? I'm assuming low loss quad shield, and 75 ohm impedence. Maybe a project is brewing here..

.Edit: forgot to mention that I also took it into town to test speeds there, where there are multiple antennas just about everywhere. Generally always got 1000-1200 down and 400 or so up. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427005 Sat, 03 May 2008 17:38:43 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426727 Jack_in_VA :
said by David Anonymous :

I have been with DirecPC, DirecWay and HughesNet for almost 8 years. I currently have the Pro Plan and the 7000S modem. But, after reading the posts I decided to give EVDO a chance. I bought a Compass 597 modem from Sprint. It was a shock to me. The download is 2-3 times what I get from HughesNet. The upload is about 2 times what I get from HughesNet. But, that in itself isn't the important fact. The upload and download rates from Sprint are consistent from minute to minute and hour to hour. Not so with HughesNet.
That's exactly the same experience I had when I made the switch. Also no FAP. Completely unlimited @ $49.95/mo.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426727 Sat, 03 May 2008 16:26:56 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423793 anon : I have been with DirecPC, DirecWay and HughesNet for almost 8 years. I currently have the Pro Plan and the 7000S modem. But, after reading the posts I decided to give EVDO a chance. I bought a Compass 597 modem from Sprint. It was a shock to me. The download is 2-3 times what I get from HughesNet. The upload is about 2 times what I get from HughesNet. But, that in itself isn't the important fact. The upload and download rates from Sprint are consistent from minute to minute and hour to hour. Not so with HughesNet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423793 Fri, 02 May 2008 22:11:04 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423775 Downrange : db: that's what I thought, too, yet you read lots of anecdotal stuff where people are boosting signals and getting better performance. Only thing I can figure is that if you're near the fringe, you get fewer missed packets, repeats, error, dither, whatever...
I will test it out and see in the next week or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423775 Fri, 02 May 2008 22:05:58 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423468 dbirdman : Generally, this is typical digital - you either have the signal or you don't. Antennas and amps give you range, but not likely more speed. In order to be FCC certified, devices like the Wilson 3-amp booster don't boost at all when they don't have to, and ramp up the power then they are needed.

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I have two towers on the property, one 48' and one 100', with hardline already in place. But the runs are a bit long for UHF. Still, I might rig up something with a directional antenna if it seems to be worth it. I believe I'll take the laptop down to the VZN tower tonight and do some speed tests.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422564 Fri, 02 May 2008 17:22:59 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422292 dbirdman : Radio signals and the path they take can be weird, which is why actually testing coverage is so important rather than taking someone's word for it. I have no doubt that your location might look unreachable, but I could show you some locations where, based on population and geography, you would be sure that it would be available, and it isn't.

My situation is ideal for testing - antenna mounted 13 feet up on a massive mobile steel ground plane, with 3-watt booster amp. I'm reasonably sure that, if the signal is there, I will get it.
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I should qualify my statement to say "recommend they check their availability." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422243 Fri, 02 May 2008 16:27:35 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422217 dbirdman :
said by Downrange See Profile :

I am recommending EVDO to my friends who can't get cable/DSL over ANY satellite system, even the new Spaceway.
No argument. Question, since it seems implied: Have you ever seen anyone, here or elsewhere, recommend satellite over ANY other system with speeds over 200Kbps?

I can't think of one.

The point is that there are lots of people, and likely there will be lots of people for a long time, who cannot get such service. 100 miles from the nearest EVDO-capable tower is not unheard of in the west, nor is a 1000-foot or greater hill between some much-nearer tower.

So, yes, anyone thinking of satellite should investigate other possibilities first, including testing for EVDO even if the coverage maps don't show it; coverage maps err in both directions and are just general guidelines.

As a long-time mobile satellite user I have counseled that those who are mobile and NEED a connection wherever they go needed satellite. Today, and for the past year or so, that recommendation has been tempered by a recommendation that they look at their planned travel patterns, because it is possible that air cards will be sufficient. I suspect we've seen mobile satellite nearly peak out now because of that increased EVDO availability, but there will always be people like me who do not choose to be constrained by coverage boundaries.
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I am recommending EVDO to my friends who can't get cable/DSL over ANY satellite system, even the new Spaceway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422092 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:53:30 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417708 padds : Am testing the Sprint EVDO myself (have been loaned a USB modem and router setup to try). I get a good signal and have been using VPN/Remote Desktop and all manner of things even an IP phone over it... right now the days of Hughesnet are limited. Ive had a dish on the roof for 9 years i beleive, but this EVDO just makes it look terrible most especially early evening.

If this thing performs well for another 30 days then Hughes gets the boot. I am lucky that i get a 72db signal and have good line of sight to a tower a few miles north of here.
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So this morning I woke up to find:



I have NEVER seen speeds like this before. Are they laying a diabolical trap to try to lure me back, or did I just slip into a parallel dimension where HughesNet service actually WORKS???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416132 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:22:46 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415875 savillehill :
said by bigdawwg See Profile :

Lots of trees and hills. I am 9 to 10 miles from the tower, and by Verizon's coverage map, I'm 3 miles out of their coverage area.
I'm also out of Verizon's coverage map and in the middle of a forest of trees... Verizon's rep convinced me to try wireless with no risk (True!). I've been running Broadband Access (Rev-A) with a USB720 modem sitting on top of the desktop for over two months. Total cost about 25 bucks to get on line and I haven't looked back



This is a typical report... I'm happy to have closed my Earthlink/Hughes connection. Terrible performance for the past year (after nearly seven years with Earthlink). Prior to cancellation we had twelve straight days of no performace at all (thanks to an unrequested transponder switch)... the old Hughes DW4000 hardware was, and still is, perfectly fine.

Good luck with your wireless.

Ron
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said by bigdawwg See Profile :

I get 800 to 1130 down and 300 to 400 up with the Wilson Omni. I want to try out an amplifier, that will be my next venture.
Unless you regularly see your bars drop and speeds with them, you probably won't see much with an amplifier. To stay compliant, the amps are built to do *nothing* when they are not needed, and yours sounds like not needed.

I have an amp, because I never know whether I will be in solid 1x, solid RevA, or fringe. Works fine with/without the amp in solid RevA, and the amp doesn't improve things at all when there isn't a RevA tower for 50 miles around, but when there is a fringe RevA tower, I get it with the amp.
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Three bars signal on the UM-150.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20412943 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:57:24 EDT Re: Hughesnet VS Verizon EV-DO http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20409951 fiaranch : Doing similar testing myself. About the same distance to the tower.

Since you are 9-10 miles from the tower, you should seriously consider making 3G Store give you a refund for that Wilson Trucker Omni antenna you purchased. It is a good antenna when you have a 'selection' of towers to get a signal from. With just one tower available, get a good quality yagi, and ultra low loss coax to feed it, and you will be much better off. Get it mounted and pointed to that lone tower, and that will help insure stability of your signal under most all conditions.

And you may need to consider adding an amplifier to help push the signal that far.
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I can now receive speeds of 1100 down and 300+ up. I have decided to keep the EV-DO. I'm not jumping ship with Hughes just yet, I want to see what happens in the near future.


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