MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | What...the...hell?
$100 for less than 1mbps upload? what in the hell are they smoking?
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Not everyone gives a crap about upload. |
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elister
join:2006-07-17
Seattle, WA
| i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Optimum Online
| said by elister  :i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc. What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload.
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jrsmooth
join:2000-05-17
Washington, DC
| said by Tzale :said by elister :i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc. What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload. Can't you use a duo LAN router to do LB? |
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT | reply to Tzale
Actually, you can. There are number of linux tools that allow you to line bond two connections and make them "one". |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | You can't bond them unless both ends create a multilink. What you are talking about ends up being a load balanced connection. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| said by battleop :You can't bond them unless both ends create a multilink. What you are talking about ends up being a load balanced connection. Exactly. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
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said by jrsmooth :said by Tzale :said by elister :i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc. What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload. Can't you use a duo LAN router to do LB? No, that is load balancing...
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
 ·TELUS
3 edits | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather :Not everyone gives a crap about upload. Only the people that DON'T upload YouTube videos, DON'T send email attachments, DON'T have to upload files to a remote server/VPN, DON'T send files to their buddies.
Let's face it, the number of people meeting the above criteria are in ever diminishing numbers.
The internet isn't just about receiving information anymore, the need for people to send (upload) is only going to increase, and in bigger and bigger files.
I for one am quite irritated by slow upload speeds. I have two connections specially for the purpose of being able to upload stuff in the background while not having other activities interfere with the process. If you've ever had to restore a 2GB pack of files to a server over 1mbps upload speed, you'd know exactly where I'm coming from.
Now, I guess you could argue that most users who upload stuff in moderate amounts simply don't care and just tough it out, but that's besides the point.
IMO, the low upload-to-download-speed ratios given by ISPs come from the fact that their general customer base is misinformed and not very savvy about how the internet actually works. Most people are surprised when you tell them they aren't likely getting anywhere close to 20mbps off most websites. Yet, people keep asking for faster faster faster, and the ISP gives, because they'll get more revenue. It's about the money, not about providing a balanced service that people will actually use. And what do they do when people actually start using that speed they paid for? Yep, throttle throttle throttle and curse at that "5% of users that use 30% of the bandwidth". |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
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said by Dogfather :Not everyone gives a crap about upload. Haha, I like chief Wiggum. He's as fat as he is stupid. lol |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
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said by TheMG :said by Dogfather :Not everyone gives a crap about upload. Only the people that DON'T upload YouTube videos, DON'T send email attachments, DON'T have to upload files to a remote server/VPN, DON'T send files to their buddies. I'd like to see statistics of what percentage of residential users use VPN services that require more than 1Mb upload or what percentage of all residential users upload videos to YouTube. I would guess these numbers to be remarkably low in terms of the whole residential use population. Far more I would venture would benefit from 20Mb service for downloading videos from services like Unbox or iTunes.
IOW, 1Mb is plenty for most people. The people you describe I think are a tiny minority. |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
·Verizon FIOS
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said by Dogfather :Not everyone gives a crap about upload. The amount of ACK packets that you'd need to send for a 20Mbps download would flood an 896k upload.
In short, it does not make sense. |
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jrsmooth
join:2000-05-17
Washington, DC | reply to Tzale
Isn't LB stands for Load Balance? |
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hacker90
join:2005-09-01
Winnebago, IL
1 edit | reply to Dogfather
Count me in for that small minority. Try administrating 11+ source servers and having to upload 30mb+ maps to the box on a routine basis. Ontop of uploading multiple files over 3-4mb. All on a slow ass 60kb/s connection.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to battleop
If your 1337 you can use a VPN that splits traffic over 2 IPs, and recombines the data at the VPN server where it goes out to the internet as 1 IP. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
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said by jrsmooth :Isn't LB stands for Load Balance? Yeah, what I meant is that load balancing isn't what is needed here. It is not possible unless both the server and client are in on the game. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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I recently had a customer tell me that at his house he could see 6 wireless networks with 6Mb Comcast connections. He said he had bonded them together to get a "T3" speed. I looked at him and said "Riiiiigggghhhtttt" and went back to what I was doing. |
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA
| said by battleop :I recently had a customer tell me that at his house he could see 6 wireless networks with 6Mb Comcast connections. He said he had bonded them together to get a "T3" speed. I looked at him and said "Riiiiigggghhhtttt" and went back to what I was doing. That's funny that you said that.
When I was living in Pullman there were wireless WEP connections everywhere.
I used aircrack-ng to crack about 10 of them, then I bought ANOTHER wireless USB lan card which used the rt61 chipset.
I then configured my Linux kernel running SUSE 10.2 with iptables and the proper modules, which was hard to do because most of the modules were out dated and there was no new documentation on them.
I set up my main chain to switch interfaces every 2 connections.
After all of the kernel stuff was setup, i then setup firefox to use pipeling which would utilize both connections.
THEN, the fun part  I used my usenet client to max out both connections...
Now this took me about a week on top of a full time job, and it wasn't easy. But I did manage to combine the connections together and it worked only with limited protocols that supported multiple connections.
The point of my story, its definitely possible, but not in the way most people realize. |
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