Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! in TekSavvy

Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20266822 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:25:45 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:25:45 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898429 Guspaz : This thread is three months old... Please use one of the more recent threads that discuss throttling. Also, try:

1) Change port to 1723
2) Enable encryption and force it (do not allow unencrypted connections)
3) Disable DHT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898429 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:07:35 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898365 Friendzi4 : *]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898365 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:54:45 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898362 Friendzi4 : *]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898362 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:53:55 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898341 Friendzi4 : It doesnt seem to matter what port you run through when you have been throttled. i have used port 21 and 955. The ports are forwarded corectly and my utorrent connection wont go above 10kb/sec. Even my usenet connection with i purachase each month has been throttled normally hit 600kb/sec and now its down to 60. Seems to me like they just monitor your download usage and hit you when you download most which with me is the evening. best thing to do would be leave bt all together and try one of the smaller isp's as they probably dont throttle as they will value customers.

My opinion]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20898341 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:50:36 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537733 BellBlows :

said by UT_CK

:

You can still do mlpp using only your speedtouch and your puter.

Just add a dial-up connection and make sure you enable the multilink. Fire it up .. and bingo.

That's it.. that's all.

Look in the mlpp thread for how to do this.. it has all the pictures and instructions.

CK
{:(B)

How well will this work if you have a router and share a connection ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537733 Sun, 25 May 2008 15:14:52 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537608 UT_CK : You can still do mlpp using only your speedtouch and your puter.

Just add a dial-up connection and make sure you enable the multilink. Fire it up .. and bingo.

That's it.. that's all.

Look in the mlpp thread for how to do this.. it has all the pictures and instructions.

CK
{:(B)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537608 Sun, 25 May 2008 14:32:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537076 anon : If the throttling is causing many retries on the ISP side is this artificially chewing up your Bandwidth usage?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537076 Sun, 25 May 2008 11:41:27 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536029 fsong1169 : ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536029 Sun, 25 May 2008 00:59:21 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520917 Nettles : Do you need a linksys router to use MLPP? I just have a speedtouch 516 modem so I guess I can't use that and gotta wait.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520917 Wed, 21 May 2008 22:54:16 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520662 mr_hexen : wait until 2am or get MLPPP setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520662 Wed, 21 May 2008 22:05:12 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520341 anon : Guys I'm desperate. Using uTorrent, don't download much but I really wanna watch the Champions League Final I missed today before the score is spoilt or something. Anyways to get it to go faster? I'm downloading from a private tracker I think.

I'm guessing with uTorrent, you go on Preferences->Connections-> and try typing in numbers for 'port used for incoming connections'?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20520341 Wed, 21 May 2008 21:09:10 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20484757 anon :

I found way around throttling.

not to give out my solution to this so bell guys can read it and change their handling.

Ill just say just keep hitting the moles on head, everytime a mole head comes up hit it on the head, then keep and eye on where it gonna come up next, then when theres no more moles to hit, the throttling machines give up and move on to another user, and thus you get throttle free service at peak all way to next 4:30pm comes around.

Next day repeat the steps, this only way thats worked for me.

the answer my friend is all on these threads]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20484757 Wed, 14 May 2008 23:30:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478652 mlerner :

said by Omr

:

Your missing the point ... if encrypted NNTP can get through on port 119, then a fully encrypted BT connection should as well. If it doesn't then this means Bells boxes are doing more then just throttling encrypted networks.

Of course the boxes are doing more, they're looking at the header as well as the payload to determine the protocol. Just because it's encrypted doesn't mean it's impossible to detect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478652 Tue, 13 May 2008 22:53:38 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470089 Omr : Your missing the point ... if encrypted NNTP can get through on port 119, then a fully encrypted BT connection should as well. If it doesn't then this means Bells boxes are doing more then just throttling encrypted networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470089 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:01:56 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468149 morisato : DJ I seriously Attempted to read that i really did. I think your mad obviously but wow. Your spelling is worse than MINE and my buddy sukanai can confirm My Spelling is atrocious..

I could not fully read your post as it was giving me a migraine trying so please Spellcheck it for all our sakes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468149 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:09:10 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466540 eots : None of this has been working for me, it doesn't matter what encrypted port I set in Azureus I'm still throttled between 30-35kB/s. My download speed outside of the throttling period is over 500kB/s. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466540 Sun, 11 May 2008 18:38:47 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465876 recneps : Wow.
1) massive wall of text
2) that has nothing to do with this topic...
People are discussing how they have maintained full speed during throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465876 Sun, 11 May 2008 15:37:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465846 anon : where Do You Set this I'm On The SpeedTouch ST780 WL

it just has any all I was on Dry Loop For 1 year and I explained to Jame at Teksavvy

I was Total Max for One year with The up load 1040-1088-which I have Over the 1.5 meg Up Loaf some 1.1.19 for the upload and 16.319 for the down Load Now they have us On this Interleave Not Fast Pass Bells Executibes Martian Pelleteair told Me the Hamilton Test Board office won't Change My Bas 3 toronto Back to Bas -7 the Bas 3 is way to slow after 98 Tickects to Bell Multi Products Solutions and Bell Executives off.
Oh Another Hydro One Own The Above Ground Fiber Optic Lines NOT BELL how can this Bell reserve control over a service they don't Own then Patrick from the Bell Executives office told Me well you used are service you can't get a Refund I said I'ts the Principal if it the Hamilton and the India Office for the techsupport teir ones wern't supposto touch the Bas7 out of troronto wern't supposto touch My line to begin with it's states that right on My Origonal Order

As I had Said To jame's from TekSavvy I use to work at 211 Locheil Street Sarnia ontario I was there man to get peoples DSL Line Cards up and runnining we didn't Need this Interleave Sympaticos Calling it and they won't take me off it and calling inter leave correction software instead of fast pass Bell Uses Lanturn for there techs And Web Care to test there software which it has Major Flaws in it giveing Incorrect Line speeds and yes Patrick I know more about this Stuff then you worked for Bell.

and it's you're Internet componys software after is supposto Determan you're speeds Bell provides you the Line the reseller the has the software after to regulate the speeds if Sympaticos Interfearing with there's no Mention in the CRTCS Intearleave software Bells Sympaticos saying it's to correct the Line speeds qoute from one tech My Line is Capable to Transmitts the propper data going through

and the laines are brand new The Demarcation Point is right out my Building here Hydro One is 2 blocks from not even that when they tested the Fiber optics Line they Bell has restriction software on you're Line and it's the type to Lover you're sppeds from you're Origonal Profile now there 101 Componies gonna go after Bell for this it stands to reason there gonna tell another Feild guy who set's the Lines to give them there service where wrong most of thease guy in Bell they Hired started out takeing you're phone calls and moved them up to make room for more Employees ,

so like any compony provideing you you're Internet service weather it's Telephone CO Cable Or Satilite Provider has to follow the rules Given to them By The CRTC.

and what Bell sympatico did after the dates of March 18th 2008 and March 31 2008 Is A BREACH Of Contract and still chargeing me For my Service I was paying full price of Dry Loop with out the wet loop phone service and got great sppeds the min I turned the phone on to line there where the screw up one after another my Internet Bill and my Old B1 Number with bell all in one bill it's so mess after 3 months that was plenty enough time to put the Current "NEW" was supposto go on the bill my Bill was Brough down to a "0" Zero Ballence now there saying I still Owe over $249.00 on my Sympatico Bill after all corrections where March 10 from here New Brewnswick Office and again corrections where made after but like the right and left hand doesn't know what they are doing to many people got a hold of my account and there saying it's my fault and I can't get it corrected I said yest I can I photoed copied everything and Netsats traced everything from the blockig as there telling me between my computer and my modem are causeing the problem I said you're full of ping sympatico.ca and yahoo.ca and there a diffrence bells blocks there with a fire wall half way through it yahoo.ca 26ms is blocked by bell not my Modem I have set my router stats accroding this vistax64.com and the Manifactues setting and Bell stating-there not supposto help me cause I have my Own Modem .

cause there 2 wire they prevised it so they say they ca comunicate with it so we can see what there doing Nice trick Bell it's not gonna work yes there are lot of people with that are gonna Jam the phone lines with complaints to bell over this .
Now if Tek Savey can provide me with the same Speeds I'm supposto get the 1.5 meg up Load and 16.319 down load if I have to Pair the 2 lines to do then ok but there has to a bit of a trial first to make sure i'm getting those speeds as indecaed and not cut down in my sppeds like i'm getting now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465846 Sun, 11 May 2008 15:29:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465703 anon :

said by Omr

:

I'm thinking since users of Usenet are not throttled yet (including me), why not people try using port 119 on there torrent with full encryption as Usenet can still work on that port with SSL.

Try and respond back, and for the record I'm still not being throttled on Torrents as well so I can't test this.

Downside is that they'll make a move against Usenet if this works, but I believe the current storm heading towards Bell will make the choice of an Open Internet pervail.

Umm perhaps people don't bother trying because a p2p packet has a different signature than a nntp packet does and that's why usenet downloads aren't throttled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465703 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:45:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465634 Omr : I'm thinking since users of Usenet are not throttled yet (including me), why not people try using port 119 on there torrent with full encryption as Usenet can still work on that port with SSL.

Try and respond back, and for the record I'm still not being throttled on Torrents as well so I can't test this.

Downside is that they'll make a move against Usenet if this works, but I believe the current storm heading towards Bell will make the choice of an Open Internet pervail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465634 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:24:51 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20447611 morisato : The solution in the original Post still works But i do find it helps to rotate Your Ports. ie 995 today 21 tommorow 8080 the next day etc.. otherwise the ellacoya box catches on and throttles ya ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20447611 Wed, 07 May 2008 18:34:53 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444077 anon : I am in Eastern Europe and 5 days ago it throttled down to 30. If I turn off the uTorrent scheduler then all is good but if i turn it on then its back to 30. Port 995 worked. but... Eastern Europe!!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444077 Wed, 07 May 2008 06:26:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377521 gord27 :

said by BellBlows :

Can anybody make sense of all this , sometimes some ports work , throttle speeds change at different times to differing amounts , I`m so confused!!!!HELP

well for about the past week i've been using port 995 with encryption enabled in the latest utorrent beta and it's been like before the throttling. as of about 10 minutes ago i'm now locked at 30k down. upload is still bouncing around the 60s but download is 30k locked. no it's not my torrents. i had been doing 300k (my max) for about 45 minutes and now the graph has just flatlined in the last 10 mins.

my guess is bell found out about the port 995 and is now throttling incoming connections. upload still works fine and has to keep working as they use this port with encyption for outgoing e-mail. my guess is it will probably remain throttle free on the upload. again this just started tonight about 10 minutes ago. it seems as though they've now throttled the download on port 995. it's fine with me i guess as my main issue with throttling is maintaining my ratios on torrent sites. i don't really dl anything i NEED right away. aside from the obvious net neutrality concerns...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377521 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:56:50 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377445 anon : Can anybody make sense of all this , sometimes some ports work , throttle speeds change at different times to differing amounts , I`m so confused!!!!HELP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377445 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:38:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357343 PatrickO :

said by ragingwolf

:

Tried it, still throttle'd. 995, same utorrent version, forced encryption, no legacy connections, does not work. You change ports and it'll work for about 10mins then the throttling kicks in, if its actually schedule'd to be on within your area. Obviously you either a) didn't test this long enough or b) Bell found your trick and disable'd the workaround.

So far I've had no luck beating this throttling, any other suggestions?

Well I don't know what to say, it was in the middle of the throttled time and continued working, I'm just glad I got something working for me. I suppose it could have cut out after a while, I wasn't watching it for THAT long, but it didn't seem to.

Maybe it's just my area? I've always found throttling to be sketchy here, even when I was with Sympatico I was never throttled, no idea why. This is the first time I've ever been throttled.
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PatrickO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357343 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:39:33 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356692 matradley : I don't know what to say. I changed my port for uTorrent 1.8b back to 995 and was downloading at full speed for the completion of two files.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356692 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:08:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356686 anon :

You change ports and it'll work for about 10mins then the throttling kicks in, if its actually schedule'd to be on within your area.

May be one way is to have a client that changes ports when it is being throttled. The fact that the download speed is capped at 30kB/sec ~1/10 speed out of your connection. Any algorithms that can give you a short burst at full speed even if it lasts 45 seconds every couple of minutes is going to give you higher average download speeds >30kB/sec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356686 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:07:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356640 morisato : i find utorrent doesn;t work very well for defeating the throttle i use both Utorrent 1.8 beta and azureus and az Seems to WORK and utorrent like u say seems to fail. try azurues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356640 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:55:48 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356369 ragingwolf :

said by PatrickO

:

UPDATE: uTorrent 1.7.7 with Forced Encryption, no Legacy Connections and port 995 working fine, no throttle, for me. Sweet!

Tried it, still throttle'd. 995, same utorrent version, forced encryption, no legacy connections, does not work. You change ports and it'll work for about 10mins then the throttling kicks in, if its actually schedule'd to be on within your area. Obviously you either a) didn't test this long enough or b) Bell found your trick and disable'd the workaround.

So far I've had no luck beating this throttling, any other suggestions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356369 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:58:42 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356201 Trisomy21 : lol yeah I doubt they'd be that stupid...You never know though, it is Bell we're talking about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356201 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:22:47 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356195 LittleStone : That would be a perfect case to bring to CRTC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356195 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:21:39 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356180 Stewy : I'm all for this but I'm afraid of what the repercussions might be to all of this. It might go something like this.

"Bell to you: By violating our Network Management protocol we had no choice but to terminate your wholesale DSL connections. Should you wish to reconnect please call this number to be sure you understand the terms of service for the wholesale DSL connection."

And of course all this without any warning and with a fee to re-connect. At this point in the game I would not put nothing pass them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356180 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:18:27 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356170 Trisomy21 : Yeah 995 is still working for me :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356170 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:14:45 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356159 boros : LOL, you sneaky mofo. :)
This trully works. Port 995 for teh w1n! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356159 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:11:37 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355875 PatrickO : So, does the solution on the first page of this thread still work?

Basically what I'm asking is this: Is there any way to get past the throttle/lessen it and how do I do it?

Sorry, I didn't really want to read all 11 pages of this.

UPDATE: uTorrent 1.7.7 with Forced Encryption, no Legacy Connections and port 995 working fine, no throttle, for me. Sweet!
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PatrickO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355875 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:57:24 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20352658 morisato : On teksavvy now! Throttle still Defeated]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20352658 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:07:12 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20334634 Casaubon : I'm currently at the worst friggen throttle ever. I can't download higher than 6 kb/s.

Absolutely unnaceptable. My youtube streaming is also a disgrace. I feel cheated!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20334634 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:11:26 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20334372 recneps : Yes, thats the one.
I wasn't aware of the sympatico post.
I figured it would be best to leave it off this topic, as bell could find a way to block their specific site ;)

(Actually, that is giving them alot of credit.. I doubt they could do it! :p)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20334372 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:31:56 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20333999 sMURF :

said by recneps

:

theres an easier, free alternative.
(Assuming you dont use more than 15gb/month on torrents ;p)
If anyone pm's me and I recognize their name, I'll let them in on it)

I'm sure you're talking about ImageShack's torrent downloads.

»www.ghacks.net/2008/04/06/images···wnloads/

It's not like it's a big secret, there's already a thread about it in the Sympatico forum.
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Bell sucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20333999 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:22:20 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20333922 recneps : theres an easier, free alternative.
(Assuming you dont use more than 15gb/month on torrents ;p)
If anyone pm's me and I recognize their name, I'll let them in on it)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20333922 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:10:59 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329685 Backabee : I noticed last night that while I was limited to 30k/s on a single torrent, after I loaded about 20 different torrents on a private tracker the total speed slowly crawled up to about 200k/s (took about an hour to get there; this was at ~9-10 PM). No individual connection to a peer was faster than 5k/s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329685 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:19:47 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329550 iconfat :

said by gord27

said by iconfat

:

I found this kinda funny.

Using port 995 encryption forced I had about 80 peers downloading at no more than 4.6kb/s.

They all totalled up to about 400Kb/s. LMAO. I wonder what bells up to.

No, never saw this before.
I used to use no encryption and allow legacy connections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329550 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:45:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329443 gord27 :

said by iconfat

:

I found this kinda funny.

Using port 995 encryption forced I had about 80 peers downloading at no more than 4.6kb/s.

They all totalled up to about 400Kb/s. LMAO. I wonder what bells up to.

have you not seen that before? it's quite common behaviour. i believe it's tracker implemented. i think that trackers do that so everyone shares equally no matter whether one has a faster connection than another.

anyway, it's perfectly normal behaviour and i've seen it 1000 times long before bell knew what throttling was...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329443 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:23:44 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20328975 TilhasBB : I am not going past 30kb/sec....
tried port 995 and 8080 and 21... nadda

LOL
I decided to try Deluge on Port 995 and Utorrent 1.8 On Port 21... Somehow the TOTAL is still the 30kb/sec haha]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20328975 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:53:47 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20328834 iconfat : I found this kinda funny.

Using port 995 encryption forced I had about 80 peers downloading at no more than 4.6kb/s.

They all totalled up to about 400Kb/s. LMAO. I wonder what bells up to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20328834 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:24:19 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327755 ohmer :

said by anon100 :

how do you guys enable the 995 privileged port to be shared by another program like P2p? everytime on my linux station i try to bind to a privileged port it will incite the socket 10013 error. I don't even have firewall. i think it is basic issue about ports already designated for IANA usage.

On Linux, port less than 1024 are reserved for the root user.

If you have a router, keep your high-number port configured on your BT client. Then, configure your router to forward your port 995 to this port on your local machine. The router will then forward transparency your port 995 to your high-number port without the need of root privileges (I would not run p2p softwares with root privileges like someone suggested here...)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327755 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:35:33 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327730 gord27 :

said by Deadpool

:

From what I've read and noticed so far, forced security in uTorrent only works if the seeds/peers you're downloading from ALSO have that enabled.

it would make sense that anyone on the tracker who also has encryption enabled would give a nicely unthrottled connection and any connection you have to those with encryption off would be throttled.

hence, i use encryption enabled and allow incoming legacy so i get to use my full 30k of throttled bandwidth and the remainder is left for those whom i'm connected to who also have encrpytion on.

when i last checked my torrent machine (out of town for the weekend) i was uploading just fine at max speed ~75kb/s or so with port 995 open, encryption enabled and legacy incoming checked. using the latest utorrent beta version.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327730 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:29:56 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327505 zachary1 : Use the new beta.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327505 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:29:05 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327497 zachary1 : He MUST stop becoming a Senators fan, though. :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20327497 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:27:41 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326404 anon : yes i could answer my own question. just run p2p as a root process, except that it is ultra vulnerable to attack]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326404 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:39:59 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326397 anon : "Bell is apparently adapting their throttling to our changes. I'm still using uTorrent 1.7.7 for the moment, forced encryption, no legacy connections allowed."

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Someone at Bell is watching Star Trek!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326397 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:36:07 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326354 anon : how do you guys enable the 995 privileged port to be shared by another program like P2p? everytime on my linux station i try to bind to a privileged port it will incite the socket 10013 error. I don't even have firewall. i think it is basic issue about ports already designated for IANA usage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326354 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:16:53 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326273 anon : Update on my earlier posts. As of the last few days (not sure when since I hadn't been downloading anything since earlier this week), the port 995 workaround quit working for me. In fact it became 30KB/s down, 0.2KB/s up (yes 0.2KB/s !!!). Switching back to port 53001 restored it to 30KB down/30KB up. However, then I tried port 21 - instantly back to normal (at least for down) over 400KB/s down, 30KB/s up.

Bell is apparently adapting their throttling to our changes. I'm still using uTorrent 1.7.7 for the moment, forced encryption, no legacy connections allowed.

Tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326273 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:34:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326026 Slot Zero :

said by Deadpool

:

From what I've read and noticed so far, forced security in uTorrent only works if the seeds/peers you're downloading from ALSO have that enabled.

I think that's correct, Deadpool. Forced encryption is a two-way street.

BTW, you have been the voice of reason throughout this whole fiasco and I for one want to thank you for the professionalism you've exhibited here and the obvious care for your customers. Perhaps in time and if circumstances ever change, you'll become a *great* TekSavvy rep! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326026 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:21:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20325396 jessegr : When you connect to a peer on your BAS or w/e its called. You get full speed from him. Ive noticed it. Just adding info.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20325396 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:29:31 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324976 Deadpool : From what I've read and noticed so far, forced security in uTorrent only works if the seeds/peers you're downloading from ALSO have that enabled.
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port 995
Secure ENABLED
allow incomming legaccy NO

throttled

security forced

Throttled TOO

...

i search anyting to unlock this shit!

a connect VPN direct to the teksavvy server through the 995 port will help??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324626 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:33:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324433 anon : HI: April 12th, 8 pm normally capped at 30.Tried solution above:port 995,encryption enabled,do not allow legacy.Tried Port 21 no good but Port 995 Great.Went from 30kb to 300kb.Not my usual 450-500 kbps.But hey it beats 30kb.F**K Off and Die BELL CANADA.
I dropped Bell Sympatico last December went with TS.Soon I will be switching my telephone to TS as well.I won't be sending Bell money anymore.
HIT Bell where it hurts: in the pocket books.
P.S. Thank you for posting the info!!! :D :) :D :) ;) :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324433 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:47:40 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324122 darcmage : Strange. Deluge works for me but utorrent doesn't.

Thanks for the tip.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324122 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:23:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324071 Firefoxer : I am using the latest beta of utorrent. Tried deluge, same problem. I believe for those that works is because they have a few business customers using the same remote/CO or the throttling equipment isn't the same everywhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324071 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:10:14 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322982 drjp81 : Confirmed!

I can download on a random port@ 500 Kb/s!
Using Utorrent 1.8beta
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»forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=31998

and the Deluge application found here:

»deluge-torrent.org/

If one fails try the other so as to compare and contrast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322816 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:38:00 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322684 LittleStone : I'm still on Sympatico (unlucky me, but I have no cap for the momemnt). There were a period of time I got throttled, then I tried the 995 trick and I got around it. Now it does not seem that I got throttled at all. Weird. Or is DPI implemented only on users with large total bandwidth used (I didn't use that much this month)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322684 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:08:06 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322632 drjp81 : I don't know how pertinent this is, but I've noticed that if I do any other ecrypted activity (PPTP VPN) and such from another PC in the house while trying to use port 995, I get throttled.
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It's weird but with Azureus I get 30 kb/s no matter what, with uTorrent v1.6 or v1.7 I get 30 kb/s but with the v.1.8 beta of uTorrent I'm maxing out all day and night on port 995 (encryption set to enabled).

Can't explain it but hey as long as she works I'm good. Sometimes the speed will drop from 320-ish (my max) and go to 150 but within minutes it's back up. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321287 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:36:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321213 nicomaniaque : 995 dosen't run for me...

nice 25k sec :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321213 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:08:26 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320271 Firefoxer : Same for me, port 995 doesn't work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320271 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:31:53 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320062 ecd : werd, seems it's not working for me either. i was on port 21 before and i didnt have any problems and i started getting throttled again tonight. switched to 995 and still cant get over 30kb/s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320062 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:47:09 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319620 drjp81 :

said by An Onymous :

I hope you don't mean the "gigi" as used in chinese, or you may need a microscope.
;)

That word is actually in Japanese. Some of their words are almost child like - repeating the same sounds.

Interesting. It may just be related, as much of the japanese language is borrowed from early chinese. I'll have to ask around.

TKS
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I hope you don't mean the "gigi" as used in chinese, or you may need a microscope.
;)

That word is actually in Japanese. Some of their words are almost child like - repeating the same sounds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20317954 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:47:29 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20316969 jerrycan : Thanks for 995 tip. I missed Office and didn't set the VCR so this let me timeshift with BT and was able to get it by 10:15pm. huzzah.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20316969 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:54:54 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20316166 drjp81 :

said by UT_CK

:

It felt good to give Bell one final shaft up the gigi !

I hope you don't mean the "gigi" as used in chinese, or you may need a microscope.
;)
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I had it working for a few hours and they caught on ...

I was going full 530 KB/s then that wacko box must have got wise and stumped me down to 30 KB/s.

I did everything right ... now my number has been called !

Oh well all good things come to an end .. :(

On the positive side .. It felt good to give Bell one final shaft up the gigi !

Regards,
CK
{:(B) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315434 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:14:52 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315354 gord27 :

said by matradley

:

After trying this again, it appears to be working.
»img512.imageshack.us/img512/3716···ttr2.jpg

It, really, should not depend on ports since DPI is supposed to throttle the encrypted traffic.

995 is sympatico's own e-mail port so it makes sense that they wouldn't throttle it. the recommend using that port and ssl for when you set up your sympatico e-mail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315354 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:54:31 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315204 matradley : After trying this again, it appears to be working.
»img512.imageshack.us/img512/3716···ttr2.jpg

It, really, should not depend on ports since DPI is supposed to throttle the encrypted traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315204 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:21:07 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315147 xvioz : Working for me again!

»img254.imageshack.us/img254/8786···eum8.jpg]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20315147 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:06:30 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314718 boez1can : It works for me too, in Kirkland QC. From 30 to over 100 kb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314718 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:45:52 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314563 drjp81 : As I said, though briefly. Until yesterday, it didn't matter what port or what time of day it was, I wasn't throttled. But yesterday at 5, when I got home, I tried everything but the above steps were finally what worked.

Anything else I tred I was locked @30KB/s.

I can't tell you why it doesn't or can't work in some areas, but here now, it does.
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Was locked at 30kb before. Now I get full connection speed!!
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314505 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:06:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314481 Trisomy21 :

said by drjp81

:

Just got throttled today. But here's the trick to Unthrottling your connection (above)

Yeah, it'd be nice if it actually worked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314481 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:02:20 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314472 drjp81 : Just got throttled today. But here's the trick to Unthrottling your connection (above)
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Cheers!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20314472 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:00:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20312260 xPBxNaStY : well i just got throttled today..where are the encryption settings and all the other settings i gotta change on utorrent?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20312260 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:53:27 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311490 anon : Thanks Morisato your help has worked for me as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311490 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:46:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20310003 gord27 : the best part about it is that it's sympaticos own e-mail server port. screw you bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20310003 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:25:14 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20309989 gord27 : 995 working here. encryption HAS to be on though. it does not work with encryption off. incoming legacy can be on or off. same results.

yay, currently maxing my speed during throttle hours.

btw, using latest beta utorrent client.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20309989 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:23:09 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305688 kingkhansrk : Yeah port 21 and not throttle works fine.. Also in Milton, ON. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305688 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:49:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305578 jdjames9 : hmm i was doing 30K most of the day, then I read this

»torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-devs···-080215/
and
»torrentfreak.com/how-to-bypass-c···-071021/

after that I setup an ssh tunnel via a linux box i've got at a provider, this tunnel is just being used to proxy the tracker connection.

After this change i'm now pushing 500K

There are not many devices out there that can inspect that much traffic so my guess is bell is going to use the same hardware as ComCast, if thats the case then it appears the tracker connection is used to ID the connecions and rst them.

Anyway, just thought I would share

Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305578 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:29:32 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305084 spacey : Weird, I tried encrypting changing ports tonight and it worked I got up to 500kb/s but then I restarted my router 2 mins later and now nothing works. Everything is throttled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305084 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:02:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305064 anon : Anybody know of any open ports , all mine are shutting fast!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305064 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:59:32 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304454 s49 : Was capped at 30kB/s from 5-645.
From 645-650, I was hitting 430kB/s, now I'm capped 40kB/s since then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304454 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:54:37 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304357 Rand2k1 : Oakville, Port 995, no throttle yet.

Random high ports are all throttled though. So for the time being its still working here.

Edit: encryption forced, no legacy incoming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304357 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:36:26 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304339 anon : on Port 21 no encryption works fine in Milton, ON at 230/kbps]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304339 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:33:07 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304295 anon : I'm in Hull/QC
Nothing works now. Capped at 30KBPS. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304295 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:26:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298414 Firefoxer : Utorrent forced encryption now capped at port 80 at 25KB/s up and down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298414 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:47:41 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20291378 Agent_DESI : Thanks this is the perfect solution it worked for me instantly i hope this will last.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20291378 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:18:08 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20291025 hockeynomad : I found the perfect solution.

"Scotty, I need more power" - Captain Kirk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20291025 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:21:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20290699 xPBxNaStY : well, i finally got throttled today at around 4am..almost through my computer through my window..but changed to port 80 and success, almost had to buy a new computer, thats never good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20290699 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:27:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20287700 anon : It's saturday, 1 pm here and there is some sort of throttling going on on the West Island of Montreal. 50 peer private torrents drop to 125k on my regular ports. Web slows to a crawl to the point that pages do not even load.

Swapped to 995 and now i am maxing out about 525k and no web slow down. For some reason my router isn't mapping the port properly however and I get no upload.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20287700 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:44:39 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20286195 matradley :

said by mlerner

:

hmm.. seeing some throttling on my downloads..

I would not think they would begin to shape HTTP traffic - would they?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20286195 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:40:18 EDT Re: ok http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284745 morisato : I am still going Strong Primarily using public trackers for very popular files with multiple thousand peers/seeds ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284745 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:44:43 EDT ok http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284732 chronoss2008 : ok all im going to say is this
create a module er addon for firefox that takes traffic and turns it into html ( yes more involved but once it appears that way you need this next part)

a redesigned tracker that allows sending out and receiving of these html packets

then you have somehting they cant shape unless htey shape html as well, when they do that those frakin html meters will go to 30Kbytes and then fraud can be 100% said and they can be thusly sued for false advertising and fraud.

hehe
btw the tracker source code in base form was outed at utorent.com

the firefox addon whitepaper was made in 2006 and the addon exists.

now you get a decent brain of a coder and its all history.
NO MORE SHAPES via protocols that is.
bandwidth shaping would be differant and the terms people use are incorrect.
Bandwidth shaping is limiting of bandwidth at certain times to all protocols.
if they do that then they cant advertise 7 megabit accounts
cbc could just go there any time in there business hours and
poof proof they mislead and commit fraud ( bell)
marketplace anyone? Silverman helps?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284732 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:43:02 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284720 jessegr : DIGGNATION!!!!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284720 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:40:26 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284714 mlerner : hmm.. seeing some throttling on my downloads..

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284714 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:38:35 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284687 justsometech : sync rate is the speed at which your modem talks to the equipment giving you the dsl. This can sometimes be in flux. For example a normal 5mb sync rate is around 5000kbits, but if their are line issues, filter problems, it can go lower, lets say for example 200kbits. so instead of getting 5mb, you would get .2mbits , which would then cause your torrent speeds to drop as you cant go faster than what your modem is connected at.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284687 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:34:10 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284642 anon : I`m confused :uhh: I seem to be ok now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284642 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:25:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284555 anon : Well on all the popular ports I am 995,21,80,8080,6667,etc etc and wtf is a sync rate ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284555 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:06:42 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284475 Guspaz : You sure your sync rate didn't just drop?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284475 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:50:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284428 R0CKY :

said by OMFGWTFbell :

I`m throttled on ALL ports now . Anybody else? :huh: :(

You sure about that? That doesn't make much sense...
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284428 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:40:40 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284108 anon : I`m throttled on ALL ports now . Anybody else? :huh: :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284108 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:41:01 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281084 Cyborg994 : Tried it last night, with port 995. Settings used : Outgoing encryption FORCED, no legacy connexions. Using Utorrent 1.7.7.

Was not very fast but much over 30 k/s (might have been the torrent, was not the best seeded). Also upload was running fine at 47 k/s. So works fine for me. I'M in MOntreal, near the Jacques-Cartier Bridge. BTW i'm still on Sympatico, not on teksavvy.

- Cyb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281084 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:11:31 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279922 s49 : Well none of the ports worked for me so I kinda stopped caring and put up with the throttling. But as of right now, it seems that I'm being unthrottled... so much for waiting until 2am!

edit - eh, it's wildly inconsistent. Jumping from 430 to 200.

edit again - odd, same site, which always has consistent speeds, being capped on one file, while other wasn't...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279922 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:27:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279842 jibby : I'm convinced this only works to a certain degree

Just throwing out a guess, but I'm thinking we're randomly hitting whitelisted ports and only those are giving us the speed we're seeing

The reason i say that, is that (at least on my connection), i start out throttled usually. 30/30 k/s, port 995, encryption forced, no legacy connections.

Then, i get one decent peer. If he's sending at say 50k/s, my overall speed is 80k/s (50k/s unthrottled peer + 30k/s all others).

For example: I'm downloading a well-seeded torrent (2000+ seeds, less than 700 peers). First 5 minutes, 30k/s up and down. Now i have 4 seemingly unthrottled peers, if i total up their speed, those 4 are giving me 160 k/s. My overall download speed is around 190k/s - 4 unthrottled peers at 160 k/s and all the rest totaling 30k/s.

I've also noticed that the peers that slip by unthrottled are more often on lower ports. Those 4 good peers i have right now - port 1082, 5900, 1720 and 35816.

Eventually, you get say 10 or 15 unthrottled peers and it seems like we've somehow circumvented the throttling.

On the other hand, maybe I've been staring at this stuff for too long, and it's all in my head.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279842 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:36 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279552 militiamen : Excellent.

Works For now.

I Thank You]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279552 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:17:20 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279422 GearHead360 : No vpns are also throttled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279422 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:52:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279405 anon : so is the only solution a vpn??

there has been a number of posts on this what do you suggest as far as a company that offers this

- i am with sympatico dsl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279405 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:50:57 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279267 anon : Tried some more experimenting.
Its 8:45pm. Using port 995, encryption enabled, no legacy connections allowed. On this heavily seeded (Private Tracker) torrent alone, getting 500KB/s down. 47KB/s up to various torrents - all on same Private Tracker (my set limit).

Change uTorrent port to 53001 (what I used to use) - no other settings changed. Exit, wait several minutes for connections to clear from router tables.

Start uTorrent (port 53001), getting max 30KB down, 30KB up, wait several minutes - won't go past it.

Change port back to 995. Exit, wait a couple of minutes, start it back up. Within 1 minute I'm over 200KB/s down and still climbing. Two minutes, I'm at 400KB/s down, 3 minutes and I'm at 475KB/s down, then 500KB/s...however, upload seems stuck below 30KB/s now. Hard to tell, I can't MAKE people connect to me if they don't want to! Start seeding to a public tracker on another torrent that has few seeders. Up spikes briefly about 30KB/s to 40KB/s, is quickly knocked back down - throttled. Down still unaffected, over 500KB/s. Let it run for 5 minutes, can't get up over 30KB/s.

Turn off encryption (disabled), allow inbound legacy connections. Exit uTorrent. Wait a minute for connections to clear. Start it back up. Goes fast but not as fast, around 325KB/s down max. Upload having trouble getting over 15KB/s. Add the public torrent seed, get to 30KB/s - can't get over it.

Turn encryption back on (actually to FORCED this time), no legacy connections allowed. Try it again. In less than a minute, down is over 500KB/s. Up goes above 30KB/s briefly, then is knocked back down but keeps spiking to 35KB/s. Add another poorly seeded public torrent to upload. Finally, it gets about 30KB/s and stay there, slowly creeping up to full 47KB/s limit. My 759MB test download finishes. I delete it and start it up again. Once again, I quickly max out at 500KB/s. Meanwhile my up is staying pegged at 47Kb/s.

Its 9:30pm. I'm done for now. Apparently its the port 995 that does it, encryption helps but the two together really make it work.

Tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279267 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:32:35 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279088 anon : works for me , upto 512 kbps for me :) :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279088 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:05:37 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279049 anon : Confirming ut 1.8 beta on port 955 works to get around Bell's block. Speeds jumped from 30kb/s->70kb/s in about 3 minutes. Not quite lightning fast, but it's more than double.

e: hit 100 now
110

It's going up faster than I can type :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279049 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:59:19 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275296 anon :

said by Lantis

:

I've done everything you've listed Tom, and nothing works. Still the 30kb cap for me. Even tried different ports, and different BT Clients.

I think Bell is trying different things in different areas. I was definitely throttled when I tried this. But, my throttling has changed from when they first started it. Last Wednesday until Tuesday this week I'd get 30KB up/ 30KB down MAX. It didn't matter if I stopped the UP, I'd still get only 30KB down (actually about 27KB). Unthrottled, I get 500KB+. Well, on Tuesday this week, suddenly it became 60KB TOTAL. So, any combination of Down+UP=60KB. On well seeded torrents I'd get about 55KB down, 5KB up.

I didn't expect the port 995 thing to work either and was surprised that it did. Now, one thing that did happen is in the process of configuring my router to forward port 995 in addition to my usual 53001 to my dedicated Bit Torrent PC, I lost my DSL connection. I reestablished it, then started the testing on port 995. Wonder if that has anything to do with it. By the way, the ONLY other protocol in use on this PC other than Bit Torrent is web browing (to get the .torrent files). This is also the only PC on the connection even though I am behind a router (for safety).

Using uTorrent 1.7.7, 250 connections total, 90/torrent, 4 upload slots/torrent, port 995, Outbound encryption ON, do NOT allow inbound legacy connection. Up limited to 47KB/s, down unlimited.

One more variable, I pay Teksavvy $4/month for a dedicated IP. Not sure if it matters, but that's the full story.

Hope this helps
Tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275296 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:36:29 EDT Re: Wishing doesn't make it so! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274581 Nemo888 : If you think changing a few ports or encrypting traffic will stop throttling you are wrong. Perhaps for a brief period, but as soon as a recognizable number start doing it they will simply readjust the system.

There is one dead simple was to detect file sharing that does not even need DPI. The sheer number of connections. If you are not running a file sharing program how on earth could you have 50+ active connections?

So other than getting a third party VPN(single encrypted pipe)you are screwed. Rogers clearly now throttles based on number of connections. They have tweaked their throttling engine so that other services are sadly unaffected unless you are a bozo and use them while file sharing at the same time. The services start working in as little as 60 seconds after turning off your file sharing program.

Traffic shaping software is no longer in its infancy. It may be illegal and even morally repugnant but it kills file sharing with very few false positives. It may even soon be bug free, which will make our case that much harder to argue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274581 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:57:27 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274551 dimmuborrgir : 3:25 am here and im DL at 625kb/s using port 80... was stuck at 30kb/s earlier!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274551 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:26:19 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273906 NEvolution : Not throttled for me right now using port 10065 with encryption. It would usually be capped at 30kbps but doesn't seem to be the case right now. Odd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273906 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:58:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273893 Casaubon : Just tried that and it doesn't work for me :|]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273893 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:56:17 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273811 davidbrown : Sorry this doesn't actually work.

The sudden speed change just means the system hasn't caught up with the change.

Sadly it eventually does even if it takes a few days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273811 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:41:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273623 munky99999 : I still cant figure out a way passed it. At some points I might go above 30kb/s but it eventually gets knocked down to 30kb/s or lower.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273623 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:07:51 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273531 Name96 : Lantis,

Does any encrypted protocol, including HTTPS, PPTP or POP3S, work at full speed in your area? There appear to be some black hole areas where Bell disrupts everything encrypted. This might be your problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273531 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:50:55 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273506 voyager6868 : It's very possible that Bell ignores all port 80 traffic for a couple of reasons:

1) It would overwhelm their anti-BT box and everything would grind to a halt

2) They want to be absolutely sure they don't affect regular HTTP traffic

It's possible what Bell is doing is

1) monitoring all non-standard ports on everyone's connection
2) once it detects BT traffic, it starts monitoring ALL the ports for your IP address
3) when it hasn't seen BT traffic for a while, it goes back to ignoring the commonly-used ports 80/21, etc. for your IP

Has anyone tried using port 80 from the start (i.e. without recently having switched from a different port within the past few minutes) and checked whether it immediately is not throttled?

Also, if someone else (roommate, etc.) is using BT with the same modem as you and is not using these special port numbers, then it's possible port 80/21/etc will only work for you when your roommate stops using BT.

I don't actually have Bell, but just trying to help out :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273506 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:45:19 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273155 Lantis : I've done everything you've listed Tom, and nothing works. Still the 30kb cap for me. Even tried different ports, and different BT Clients. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273155 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:47:31 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272794 anon : It works for me.
Was throttled at 30Kb up/down until yesterday. Then I noticed started getting 60KB total. So, if say my upload was 5KB, I'd get 55KB down. So Bell changed the way they were doing the throttling. Then, I see these posts today so I tried it.

uTorrent 1.7.7, Port 995, encryption ON, do NOT allow incoming legacy connections.

Starts off slow, then ramps up until I'm hitting full 500KB/s down@ Up still stuck below 30KB (I have it limited to 47KB).

I tested with the same file right before this on port 53001 which I normally use - couldn't get over 30KB down.

Many thanks - it wasn't a joke.
Tom
(North Oshawa)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272794 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:57:07 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272607 Kdee : I'm up to 68.7 kb/s at the moment. No changes to my environment (in other words I'm still using uTorrent 1.7.7 on port 995).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272607 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:24:46 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272590 zaptor99 :

said by zaptor99

:

Downloading 3 files with over 3000 seeds on each one.
Using utorrent 1.8 beta, port 21, encrypted
200 peers per torrent (this kills web surfing though)
averaging 500 KB/s

I'll try a regular port next.

Ok, I tried another port, 25101, and getting the same 500 KB/s result. I don't think it's a port thing anymore. Hmm.

Port 21
Port 25101

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272590 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:20:45 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272557 xvioz : @ Kdee: try private trackers if you're not already. I just tried one from a public tracker while doing one from a private and it capped me at 30 kb/s again... exit uTorrent, open it again and only do the one from the private tracker and I'm maxed out again.

Also try the new beta on that port. I was using 1.6 and no matter what I did I was stuck at 30. I downloaded the 1.8 beta, set the port to 995 and set outgoing protocol encryption to "Enabled" and it's workin' good. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272557 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:14:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272508 Kdee : I'm trying port 995 right now with a small (77MB) torrent with uTorrent 1.7.7. I'm capped at around 30 kb/s. :(

UPDATE: I'm in the 40kb/s area at the moment FWIW. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272508 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:05:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272441 xvioz : Port 995 with uTorrent 1.8 Beta 9272 = maxing out, haha nice. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272441 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:51:23 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272298 matradley : Using an IRC port with encryption, a well seeded torrent seemed to average 100 KB/s. That might be also due to the lack of speed everyone else is providing! At any rate, when I did a tracert, I saw no extra latency - which I usually see when I have to go through DPI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272298 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:28:29 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272245 eots : I hope this doesn't encourage Bell to throttle everything during peak hours. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272245 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:18:13 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272169 djcake : I am using port 6667 (IRC) encrypted

I have got as high as 517 and down to 480's so it looks like no throttling here on that port]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272169 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:03:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272075 zaptor99 : Downloading 3 files with over 3000 seeds on each one.
Using utorrent 1.8 beta, port 21, encrypted
200 peers per torrent (this kills web surfing though)
averaging 500 KB/s

I'll try a regular port next.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272075 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:47:08 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271671 mm0 : I'm using port 995 with encryption, seems to be working fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271671 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:28:35 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271569 mr_hexen : Definately works for me.

tried 3 things.

1. Port: 50005, No encryption (60kB/sec today for some reason).
2. Port: 21, No encryption (peaked around 180kB/sec, then back to 80kB/sec)
3. Port: 21, Encryption Enabled (Peaked near 380kB/sec, continues to range between 180 - 400kB/sec)

415kB/sec at time of post..

attached results.

Results of my tests

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271569 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:11:07 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271121 anon : When I was with Rogers a year ago the same thing happened , we got through e-mail and voip ports but after a couple of weeks they caught on and shut us down :(.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271121 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:52:46 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271000 plee6969 :

said by Radar73

said by zachary1

:

There IS no congestion, and there WAS no congestion...anything that Bell says about that is a load of bat snot.

I had no slow downs in my service before the throttle, therefore there was no congestion problem in my area. A load of bat snot it is.

I agree, I never had slow downs at peak times. And neither did anyone I know. I would game, download, email and surf.
Nothing slowed down for me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20271000 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:24:14 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270870 Radar73 :

said by zachary1

:

There IS no congestion, and there WAS no congestion...anything that Bell says about that is a load of bat snot.

I had no slow downs in my service before the throttle, therefore there was no congestion problem in my area. A load of bat snot it is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270870 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:57:54 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270470 zachary1 : There IS no congestion, and there WAS no congestion...anything that Bell says about that is a load of bat snot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270470 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:41:02 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270437 anon : "Ya I wouldn't mind getting 3web if the service is good. But I just don't want to take the risk."

If I could get assurance the company isn't going up in smoke. Also that they don't throttle, and that they plan to
improve their tech service, I'd stongly consider their cable internet. I'm sure their DSL would be throttled, just like everyone else's.

Teksavvy sounds like the best option for me, so far.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270437 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:35:01 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270398 PowerUser : I agree with using the commonly used ports if that's what it takes to get average Joe user to understand the severity of the kind of tactics Bell Nexxia is using on people who AREN'T EVEN THEIR CUSTOMERS.

I am immensely pissed that Bell Nexxia has:
• Made it impossible for TekSavvy to remain competitive. TekSavvy deserves to be rewarded for its great approach to DSL.
• Started looking inside packets, against what a common carrier is supposed to do (that is, deliver data from point 'A' to point 'B').
• Affected other services (VPN, VoIP) because of delays associated with DPI
• Tried to pass this whole thing off as "Attempting to provide better service"
• Made me one of their customers when I AM NOT!

I think that it's "funny" that Bell used hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy DPI equipment instead of funding infrastructure upgrades. That is to say if the congestion is as they claim (which from what I've been hearing is complete BS).

You are probably right. They will try to shape traffic on common ports (just like all of the other non-planned out stuff they've been trying to pull) at this point they may feel as though they can't turn back, in which case I say bring it, because while this DPI hardware may be good, I doubt that it can process all the HTTP/FTP/POP/etc data of Eastern Canada in real-time. Something's going to break, it's going to guess wrong on people's data, and that's when the non-tech users will say, "WTF? I'm paying Bell $50/month for broadband that is broken every other day and randomly doesn't do what I tell it to do? No deal!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270398 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:28:28 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270333 anon : Ya I wouldn't mind getting 3web if the service is good. But I just don't want to take the risk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270333 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:18:21 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270314 Name96 :

said by Dillerd :

Isn't 3web supposed to be going under soon?

I have no idea what their books look like, but they've been expected to go under 'soon' for the past year or two. It hasn't happened yet.

Further, as one of a mere handful of ISPs who still offer unfiltered service for under $100/month I expect 3Web's books will look a lot better by the end of this month than they did at the end of last month.

If filtering is intolerable for your needs, by all means switch to 3Web. Even if they go under the most you'll lose is a month's service fee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270314 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:14:59 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270281 canadabound : I agree with the sentiment that eventually Bell will find a way to stop this. Be it DPI on every port or something else. If they're willing to p*iss off this many people to stop the evil P2P'ers they're not going to stop now.

Use it while you still can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270281 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:09:05 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270197 anon : Are you on 3web DSL or 3web cable?"

Isn't 3web supposed to be going under soon? I even pondered
giving them a shot. Although, apparently, their tech service and support is nothing to rave about.

If they stick around and will provide decent cable internet to my area, I'll give it some thought.
Apparently they don't throttle either on their cable
service. Looks like Rogers hasn't gotten to them yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270197 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:52:51 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270082 Trisomy21 : Why not use these ports to "clog their network" if Bell decides to interrupt these ports as well it'll only ruin the experience for the average users as well. The more angry customers the better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20270082 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:31:59 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269991 anon : Nah Sukunai ... the REAL downloaders are happily downloading from topsites ... :D Though the throttling DOES seem to be affecting the Auth SSL login ... :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269991 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:17:06 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269764 anon : Hmm trying to wrap my head around the idea, of being worried I won't be able to get my mail, because that damn mori went and clogged it up with his torrents :)

Trying to wrap my head around everyone having trouble getting their mail, because of that damn mori and his torrents.

Not working. I can't see a problem (not being able to get some emails).

What exactly do YOU get in your mail anyway?

I have like hmm 3 hotmail accounts. It's a web page I think.
I don't think mori could interfere with me getting my mail to save his life :)
But even when I was using Shitpatico with equally crummy Outlook express, it's not like my mail accounted for much.
Some days it would be better if the mail failed to get here.
I don't move large data sized emails for a reason. Even without mori and his torrents, email is the worst method to send something from here to there.

We've already seen Bell's wisdom in action. I wouldn't expect to be seeing any wisdom in the future.
As for not telling anyone of this great opportunity, well I suppose I'm not the only one then that uses the line of thought "all for me, none for you". Or, "as long as I got mine".

I think it's damned cool mori has shared this with us.
It's untested, but he mentioned Azureus might not be the only file share software option available too. It's all about whether you can manage the ports direction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269764 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:36:44 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269647 Guspaz : I do know that Deadpool mentioned that there was trouble with VPNs and SSL-based protocols outside the very commonly known ones, and that he was working to get those issues fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269647 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:56 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269618 LiQuiD :

said by Guspaz

said by morisato

:

Well I personally doubt that bell wants to DPI every web/email packet on their network it would KILL it. so i fully expect to not see it fixed

Not to mention that it ***seems*** port 443 is throttled. When I try to open my mail via imap (i have unencrypted mail through one acct) it's slow. If I open my mail acct on the same machine via imap4-ssl, it works better.

Please though, take this for what it is... as i said, with triple emphasis, it SEEMS to be the case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269618 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:12:30 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269611 morisato : True and vpn will indeed work but if theres even More false positives bell may also decide the pr nightmare adding those ports in would cause is not worth the headache. but hey if a mod wants to delete this post ;) in its entirety it wouldn;t bother me those who read the forum often have already seen it i am sure bell was aware of their network holes prior to my posting it as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269611 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:11:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269564 alekssavvy : thats exactly what happened in rogers. i remember going through this before :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269564 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:02:21 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269558 Guspaz :

said by morisato

:

Well I personally doubt that bell wants to DPI every web/email packet on their network it would KILL it. so i fully expect to not see it fixed

Why not? They do DPI on every other packet. Presumably their equipment can work at line speed.

They likely disabled DPI on certain ports to try to avoid problems with false positives. To quote the Matrix, "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept." They may decide that they have no choice, and apply DPI to port 80. They may just decide that they'll have to be careful and keep an eye on it.

A safer option, for now, is to use a VPN. Setting your BitTorrent client to port 80 will still leave outgoing connections throttled, whereas a VPN will protect all your traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269558 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:01:36 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269530 morisato : Well I personally doubt that bell wants to DPI every web/email packet on their network it would KILL it. so i fully expect to not see it fixed ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269530 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:57:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269516 alekssavvy : i hate seeing things like this. if you figure out a way around something, either keep it to yourself or tell someone that is not going to spread it around. simple fact is, once the routers see an increase in traffic on certain ports they will inspect it and throttle it.

its nice people trying to help but the result will be everyone left with nothing instead of at least some people getting past it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269516 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:55:15 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269325 yabos :

said by KrK

:

I'm not a user of any of the throttled Bell services, but as a third party I'm kinda wondering.... if people start to use ports designed for email, HTTP, etc to get the torrents past the Sympatico throttling, won't that impact the network for the actual services (like email etc) to the point that you'll be confirming Bell's EXCUSE that they have to stop P2P traffic for the good of "Network management" ...?

I mean, if you've got people who can't get email, and Bell says "It's the evil P2P'ers!" well, won't that be justification for draconian "traffic management" ...?

IE, you might be HELPING Bell's BS case?

Just a thought...

No, a port is an arbitrary number that has nothing to do with speeds in an unthrottled network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269325 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:24:37 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268822 anon : this worked on utorrent for me also with port 80 open.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268822 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:06:49 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268590 themonkeyz : Well I think we just found on which port to put our secure VPN if we ever need that collocation box.

For myself I'm still un-throttled, and I'm in a sector where Sympatico started throttling in December.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268590 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:59:21 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268432 anon : "Speaks volumes of your knowledge of the good old "scene" my friend.

*Disclaimer* Not that i'm involved in anything. I was given a very nice letter in nov 2001 during which time I counted my lucky stars that the canadian gov't didn't participate in a worldwide raid, and have learned my lesson since.

Thank you cdn gov't for being lenient!"

and

"That depends on what you take to mean 'real' downloaders. If 'real' means those who use up the most ISP bandwidth, then by far it's the torrent people. If 'real' means those who could go to jail if caught, then there's no question it's the scene types. It's all a matter of definition.

Incidentally the November 2001 takedown of Drink or Die was, in Ashcroft's own words, a larger operation than the criminal investigation into September 11th. Draw your own conclusions about American priorities. My conclusions aren't printable."

I'll just say I am not really genuinely aware of that which you refer to. Maybe I don't know as much as I think I know.

I'd be actually amused if you could show me statistics that support that MORE data (legal or otherwise) is downloaded through torrents than off of newsgroups.

When I want a song, I prefer to avoid torrents... inefficient.
When I want a film, I REALLY try to avoid torrents (dvd through a torrent ... yuck).
Heck I try to get everything I can, not on a torrent.
Torrents are the sucktastic option of choice as far as I am concerned.

But as for "scene" well I know what the term denotes. I'm not into uploading though (at all), and when I'm downloading a torrent, I'll be honest I don't care if my upload portion sucks. I'm not in it to distribute data to the planet. I'm on and then off ASAP. Get the data from someone that has an obsession with doing it for all I care :)

I have to wonder though some days. I see stuff on the newsgroups, and I can only wonder, "who wants most of this crap?". And that's the odd part, a great deal is crap, and it had to be uploaded by someone, it doesn't get there from nowhere. There are certainly people on this planet with more bandwidth than they can waste.

I'm not one of those though.
I'm just in it for my tv shows. I'd rather download a show, than be forced to watch it when THEY want me to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268432 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:07:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268198 liamoforange : I assume that this will not work for those of us who are required to use specific port ranges.

Is there a way around that?

Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268198 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:12:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268096 Guspaz : There are some very vibrant non-scene (BitTorrent) communities that pride themselves on providing better quality content than what the scene produces. I'm very glad to have an account on one of them; you can't get the content anywhere else.

EDIT: The entire point of DPI is that it doesn't rely solely on port-based throttling; that's notoriously easy to get around (and unreliable). If BitTorrent on port 80 isn't throttled now, it likely will be soon.

That, and you can't control what port you connect to other people on, only what port they connect to you on. You're still going to be throttled on half the connections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268096 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:38:17 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268001 anon : working for me. im using port 80 and azerus and currently downloading at 146kb/s. its not quite the 500kb/s i used to get but its better than 30kb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268001 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:34:49 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268077 Name96 :

said by LiQuiD

:

Speaks volumes of your knowledge of the good old "scene" my friend.

That depends on what you take to mean 'real' downloaders. If 'real' means those who use up the most ISP bandwidth, then by far it's the torrent people. If 'real' means those who could go to jail if caught, then there's no question it's the scene types. It's all a matter of definition.

Incidentally the November 2001 takedown of Drink or Die was, in Ashcroft's own words, a larger operation than the criminal investigation into September 11th. Draw your own conclusions about American priorities. My conclusions aren't printable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268077 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:31:46 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267998 LiQuiD :

said by Sukunai :

I figure I will just keep saying it, and maybe someone will eventually here it.

The REAL downloaders, don't download with torrents.

They download from newsgroups.

Speaks volumes of your knowledge of the good old "scene" my friend.

*Disclaimer* Not that i'm involved in anything. I was given a very nice letter in nov 2001 during which time I counted my lucky stars that the canadian gov't didn't participate in a worldwide raid, and have learned my lesson since.

Thank you cdn gov't for being lenient!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267998 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:12:49 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267974 anon : I figure I will just keep saying it, and maybe someone will eventually here it.

The REAL downloaders, don't download with torrents.

They download from newsgroups.

There is likely more reason for Bell to be concerned for data passing along from other routes than just torrents.

In a week, I likely obtain a few shows through torrents. Then again I can go a whole week and not use the torrent process at all.
Newsgroups is another matter. A week without massive data movement through newsgroups would be quite unusual for me.

There is clearly a lot of people that like using torrents, but there are also a lot of people using the same avenue for entirely legit internet activity. All Bell is doing, is plugging up one portion of the whole, and calling anyone using that route a crook.
That likely means Bell has offended a great deal of honest businessmen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267974 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:06:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267949 anon :

said by Name96

said by mack5590 :

I've been throttled at around 25KB/s, max I can get is 40, on 3web.

Are you on 3web DSL or 3web cable?

DSL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267949 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:59:12 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267918 Arbalister :

said by KrK

:

won't that impact the network for the actual services (like email etc) to the point that you'll be confirming Bell's EXCUSE that they have to stop P2P traffic for the good of "Network management" ...?

IE, you might be HELPING Bell's BS case?

Just a thought...

Not likely, see, here's the thing - they *can't* throttle certain ports - and those are whitelisted to get missed - because they are for extremely specific protocols. 80 is http, for instance.

If Bell were to start scanning every packet on http, the net would slow to a crawl. So that whole port is exempted. Using any of these ports can work pretty much unhindered. Even if their throttle machines look at those, they see port 80, and httpd protocol...and pass 'em on.

That traffic on port 80 isn't port 80 traffic all the time...most of the time it's ATM traffic. Routers don't much care what port it is, other then they do prioritize 'interactive' traffic - like port 80. That'll reduce the latency of those packets, so it could actually make the overall time to download less, not more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267918 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:53:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267896 Name96 :

said by mack5590 :

I've been throttled at around 25KB/s, max I can get is 40, on 3web.

Are you on 3web DSL or 3web cable?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267896 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:48:48 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267871 LiQuiD : Here's some other ports you may want to try:

Port 993 - imap-SSL

Port 3128 - Squid Proxy (this one may be throttled though due to all the misconfigured proxies that are exploited).

Port 587 SMTP-Auth

port 123 - ntpd

I also recall the range 6667-6669 and 7000 being for IRC. Hopefully Bell whitelisted all of them. I can't remember the last time I saw an irc server not on 6667 ;)

HTH
--
Windows is the virus. Linux is the vaccine, FreeBSD is the CURE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267871 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:44:52 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267733 morisato : Neither do I understand it bigwater but All I know is if i change that listening port. it Instantly unthrottles.. The science behind it is beyond me and as far as bell Saying that, The fact is There never was ANY congestion in the first place. Bell has cited no proof either they just want to avoid it. if they start Sniffing this ports watch The entire web slow to a crawl! see how they like that. Ps I tested it for uses with Emule as well and that functions under the same port choices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267733 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:21:06 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267694 BigWater : I don't see how changing the listening (upload, incoming) connection port would change anything on the download.
Even if you change your incoming port your BT client still uses what ever port the other peers tells your client to use. If your BT client is configured to use port 80 then the other peers will connect to you to retreive the file they want on port 80.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267694 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:16:24 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267685 KrK : I'm not a user of any of the throttled Bell services, but as a third party I'm kinda wondering.... if people start to use ports designed for email, HTTP, etc to get the torrents past the Sympatico throttling, won't that impact the network for the actual services (like email etc) to the point that you'll be confirming Bell's EXCUSE that they have to stop P2P traffic for the good of "Network management" ...?

I mean, if you've got people who can't get email, and Bell says "It's the evil P2P'ers!" well, won't that be justification for draconian "traffic management" ...?

IE, you might be HELPING Bell's BS case?

Just a thought...
--
"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267685 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:14:10 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267650 tktc : try port 21, 80, 110, 443, 995 and 8080 on utorrent 1.7.7 without any success(download is being capped at ~25KB/s); btw, I am connected to bas9-toronto12]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267650 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:08:11 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267533 anon : 8080 seems to do the trick for me! At least my upload rate shot up to around its normal (unthrottled) level.

Many thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267533 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:49:35 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267433 morisato : Click http Seeding in your az Mack it should allow u to upload and download so your ratios not hurt to bad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267433 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:31:46 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267408 anon : I've been throttled at around 25KB/s, max I can get is 40, on 3web.. switched to port 21, it stayed around 70 for a while but now I'm back up to close to 500KB/s down. No upload though..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267408 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:29:05 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267365 jdjames9 : I would suggest...

110 (pop)
25 (smtp)
22 (ssh)

and just out of interest try something like 8080 (proxy), or any other known port >1024 e.g. 3128, 8080, 6667

Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267365 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:24:06 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267358 morisato : i;ve only tried 21 80,81 443 and 995 and 443,81 are Blocked. so I am thinking its basically email/web ports only]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267358 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:23:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267347 anon : any ports higher than 1024 open?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267347 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:21:43 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267346 alec : just hit 300KB/s over 3 torrents. Have not touched anything on firewall either for port 80.

Will try later when roommate gets back. Let him try to use 443 and me at 80 to max out the connection maybe...

edit - 350kb/s -upload about 65kb/s]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267346 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:21:34 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267345 jdjames9 : ahhh sorry I missed that

thats interesting, well I guess they just inspect packets on ports >1024 then

I suppose there would be loads more connections on ports 1024 so that could be to much to inspect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267345 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:21:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267338 morisato : anyone think of any other Email Ports/ Web ports to try?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267338 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:20:38 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267335 cyboy : kind of work for me.... 250+ w/ no encryption ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267335 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:20:15 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267333 Radar73 :

said by morisato

:

Sorry Casubon not sure what to suggest seems to be working for everyone else. negative as well on port 443 for me. Going to try over SSL ports. like 995 which Sympatico users use for Connecting to pophm.sympatico.ca etc..

Port 995 works as well woot!

995 works here as well!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267333 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:20:05 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267320 morisato : yes They can cause atm i am On bell Sympatico jdjames as i stated i'm not yet on teksavvy gots to wait for a few more weeks for the switch]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267320 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:18:29 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267315 Casaubon : I've set the port 80 forwarding on my router and that didn't work... Trying port 995 now on azureus...

*sigh*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267315 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:17:46 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267312 jdjames9 : more than likely they just looking at traffic on ports greater than 1024. It might just be the case for people on the wholesale lines, I wonder if Bell Sympatico users can do the same trick ??

I guess Bell thinks that the wholesale lines could have webserver and such at the end so they don't want to impact possible businesses.........maybe

Cheers
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267312 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:16:52 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267298 morisato : I don;t think so :0 i am in no way bell :) ps rocky did well on his cbc appearance far better than he did on the radio spot ! and it brings the issue to a head! wooo TV coverage = bell getting heat]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267298 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:14:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267285 anon : could it possibly be a trap by bell to log people dl more crap?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267285 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:12:39 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267265 anon : I've had the same trouble, the april 1st no one believes ya trouble.

I've had troubles getting things done today as well, because too many people think nothing could possibly be serious today.

I've set up a forum, I had to sort out my life insurance, rent was due, I formatted my system, hey, it's just another day to some of us :)
I also don't think much of friday the 13th either.

I know mori by the way. I'd likely be testing with him if I didn't usually end up regretting messing with my router :)
He usually ends up fixing it for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267265 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:10:23 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267252 anon : doesnt work. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267252 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:08:49 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267214 morisato : Sorry Casubon not sure what to suggest seems to be working for everyone else. negative as well on port 443 for me. Going to try over SSL ports. like 995 which Sympatico users use for Connecting to pophm.sympatico.ca etc..

Port 995 works as well woot!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267214 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:02:17 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267201 Casaubon : I give up, still throttled at 30kB/s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267201 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:59:27 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267183 morisato : The question is can bell Defeat this or would it cause Undue Strain On them to DPI all web/Email traffic. when u think about it it makes sense that they would specify what ports to look at and since bells Theory is to make email/surfing faster Not interfering with these ports would be the ideal. for them]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267183 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:56:48 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267180 Radar73 :

said by dcorreia

:

Try port 443.

Negative on port 443 ... still throttled there at 30KB/s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267180 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:55:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267155 alec : I'll have to agree with this it works

Switched to port 80 for tcp/udp - Azerus gave some warnings and i just ignored.

Enabled encryption at with min. of RC4

and enabled 'User 'cryptoport' blah blah blah'

going at 89KB/s and climbing:):):)

edit - 135kb/s
edit - 210kb/s
edit - 240kb/s

download.tiff 193,842 bytes

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267155 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:51:23 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267145 Casaubon : Caralho, nada funciona!

Sorry, I just forwarded port 80 on my router and shit. Still waiting for this to work...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267145 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:50:12 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267140 dcorreia : Try port 443.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267140 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:49:10 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267136 invictive : I've been using port 80 for a week with no problems, using uttorent, a proxy and putty aes encryption+port forwarding.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267136 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:47:34 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267118 morisato : did you use cryptoport? and Uncheck allow incoming unsecure connections? should be a check in topbox then rc4 then 2 unchecked boxes then 1 checked box. on the transport encryption tab. and I have port 21 on there and it works also i am using http seeding ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267118 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:43:56 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267116 anon : looks good for me, tested with same torrent and locked at 30k

now I'm doing port 80 tcp/udp forward on my router, restarted Azureus and left it run for about 15 mins.

I'm currently doing around 200kB and climbing (while i write its up to 270)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267116 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:43:38 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267115 Radar73 :

said by morisato

:

well i wish it would work for us all maybe it will I dunno I just Know for certain i can switch between throttled and not throttled by a change of port i imagine the Device throttling us is trying to avoid having to monitor every port otherwise it might Hinder Web/email traffic line it does to voip etc.. i find it takes up to 5 minutes before my torrent miraculously becomes uncapped. sometimes sooner. but i find port 21/Encrypted works best for me.

I too can switch from random port >50000 where I'm fully throttled to 30K/s and port 80 or 21 where after a few minutes full speeds start come in. I've tried on a public and private tracker with success as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267115 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:43:17 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267108 Casaubon : I've tried both ports: 21 and 80. Tried them unencrypted, with Plain and RC4 encryption. Strange :|]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267108 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:42:08 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267092 anon : Bell's throttling is based on tracking down encrypted connections. Try port 21 or 80 unencrypted and see what happens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267092 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:40:12 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267088 morisato : well i wish it would work for us all maybe it will I dunno I just Know for certain i can switch between throttled and not throttled by a change of port i imagine the Device throttling us is trying to avoid having to monitor every port otherwise it might Hinder Web/email traffic line it does to voip etc.. i find it takes up to 5 minutes before my torrent miraculously becomes uncapped. sometimes sooner. but i find port 21/Encrypted works best for me.

twjb i agree i would normally Not encrypt but It seems to work its noticeable after a few minutes of Throttling on port 21 it All of a sudden just skyrockets in speed like Whatever was Throttling hit an error or gave up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267088 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:23 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267074 Casaubon : Yeah, I noticed it was minimized to the system tray, so I did close it, shut it down, the whole bit. Too bad it doesn't work for me.

I was throttled at 30kbs on utorrent but with azureus i'm below 10. (utorrent is shut down while i run azureus)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267074 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:36:58 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267059 morisato : well Closing it merely minimizes it generally. Unless u actually Choose shutdown. etc.. it just goes to your system tray. also if your running azure get the status monitor plugin to see the difference when your running on differing ports.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267059 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:34:30 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267044 Casaubon : AH!!!!!

Let's see if that'll work. But wait, I doubt it, I even closed Azureus and restarted it to no effect ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267044 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:32:29 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267034 morisato : Casubon When you made your changes did You Stop your torrent and restart it? U have to in order for port changes to take effect]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267034 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:31:14 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267018 Radar73 :

said by morisato

:

seems to work for me even with traffic unencrytped over those ports try Removing encryption Casaubon Also Radar You may wish to Show a screenshot with a legal Download instead of your current one ) for your own legal safety

Good idea ... that was open office wasn't it? I'm using Flashget v1.96. I have encrypted protocol checked and using port 80 in that screen shot.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20267018 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:27:55 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266983 Casaubon : i've unencrypted traffic but nada :( (to be honest i haven't waited more than 5 min since unencrypting, so I'll wait some more. I'm running Azureus 3.0.5.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266983 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:24:25 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266973 morisato : seems to work for me even with traffic unencrytped over those ports try Removing encryption Casaubon Also Radar You may wish to Show a screenshot with a legal Download instead of your current one ) for your own legal safety]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266973 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:22:45 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266961 Radar73 :

said by Casaubon

:

Doubt it. Nice April Fools joke. Tis the season anyway...

No joke -- I'm at 500KB/s and climbing ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266961 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:20:22 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266958 Casaubon : I'm as throttled as ever. Neither port 80 or 21 work for me, plus I have the traffic encrypted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266958 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:20:00 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266955 Radar73 :

said by morisato

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Give it a Try and Post your results. i am going to take a screenshot shortly of the Vuze status Monitor etc.. and of the traffic. to make this clearer.
wait about 5 minutes thats when mine went up

I let it run a bit longer ... it's working for now -- and picking up speed! I suspect Bell won't let it last for long though. I was definitely throttled using other ports besides 80 and 21.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266955 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:19:18 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266946 Casaubon : Doubt it. Nice April Fools joke. Tis the season anyway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266946 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:16:53 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266940 morisato : Try port 21 and it may work for you I just watched myself throttled for 10 minutes and then switched ports and am miraculously Unthrottled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266940 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:15:53 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266908 Casaubon : Didn't work for me, but I am connected to my modem via the router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266908 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:11:32 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266840 morisato : Give it a Try and Post your results. i am going to take a screenshot shortly of the Vuze status Monitor etc.. and of the traffic. to make this clearer.
wait about 5 minutes thats when mine went up]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266840 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:00:54 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266835 Radar73 : Tried port 80 and encrypted protocol and still throttled to 30KB/s up and down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266835 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:00:16 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266822 Casaubon : Gotcha, I had to run the configuration mode first and select my user type. thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266822 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:58:36 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266804 morisato : Its Under Options > Mode]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266804 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:57:03 EDT Re: ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266790 Casaubon : how do you use advanced mode? It tells me that the advanced network settings aren't available for the beginner mode.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266790 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:54:39 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266737 morisato : I am sure i can See the throttle i had to switch off port 80 to be able to post on the site here. and i am throttled, go back to port 80 and i am UNthrottled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266737 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:46:07 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266732 jibby : are you sure it's the port that makes the difference, or are you just completely unthrottled tonight?

I'm just asking because i've been throttled consistently from 4pm to 2am (and occasionally until 6am) since it kicked in, but for some reason i'm not being throttled at all today]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266732 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:44:56 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266728 mlerner : If it does in fact work, the throttling box is always monitoring the packets so if it sees anything suspicious it will eventually throttle that traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266728 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:43:49 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266672 morisato : No I am Serious I am Not even On tekSavvy and have been throttled for weeks Its working i am getting several Hundred k a second ! This is NO april Fools. i am doing this atm On bell Sympatico Still awaiting the switchover to Teksavvy But it appears i have found a way to defeat the throttling of my traffic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266672 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:36:14 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266659 morisato : Under tools> options for tcp/udp Port Choose port 80 , also encrypt your transport. make sure your in advanced mode I am Currently able to get past the bell Throttle using this. i am assuming its not intended to affect web traffic, so when i shunt encrypted traffic on port 80 it gets confused ;) woo small win for the lil guy Going to send this data to the bt team working to deafeat DPI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266659 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:33:29 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266648 Name96 : April fool....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266648 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:32:29 EDT Re: Found a way past The Throttle! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266615 hockeynomad : How do you do that in Azureus?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266615 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:27:10 EDT ***Found a way past The Throttle!*** NO JOKE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266587 morisato : First off I want to state Clearly THIS IS NOT AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE!.

Second To be clear i am currently a Sympatico user. i have a Speed Stream 5242 connected to a dlink wbr2310 Wireless router. ( switching to tek april 18th! Damn 30days cancel policy) Now onto the Information,

i was throttled this evening to 30kb/s and decided to try some tricks to get past the throttle. After some goofing i decided to try popular protocol ports Like email and port 80 . After waiting I found I was UN throttled when using port 21/80! I thought maybe my throttle was removed So I once again Changed to port 22541 ( my personal BT port) and i was once again throttled i waited 10 minutes nothing changed. i went back to Port 21 Again Unthrottled.

I use azureus.

I have noticed when I am going thru my Router And not direct to the Modem this pretty much shuts down My web broswing ability But so what! I am going to test some other ports see if i can find others that may be Weak to this sneak so i make it work. while web browsing so Others Please try this if Your currently Throttled Change to use port 80, for tcp/udp In az and make sure encryption is on try on a heavily seeded torrent I have seen downloads up to 250k/s During throttle and then i go back to some random super high port. and Its once again 30k/s

Port 80 Max Speed - Unthrottled after a few Minutes!
Port 21 Max Speed - Unthrottled after a few Minutes!
Port 995 Max Speed - Unthrottled after a Few Minutes!
Port 8080 - Reports of Unthottled after a few mins!
Port 443 No Go Throttle remains

I Recommend Port 21 or 995 atm As port 80 Can Cause web traffic issues.

At The beginning it seemed like it was stuck in throttled mode but after 5 minutes or so it like ramps up like the Device throttling me gave up ? Please post ports u try as wel test this and Please ensure your throttled prior to posting sucess!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20266587 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:23:19 EDT