Tzale
Ron Paul - I Didn't Vote For Either
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Re: Clue
said by verolom  :Here's in idea, keep the copper loop to power the ONT. Bad idea... Verizon wants to get rid of copper and sell it off. They don't want to have to maintain a copper infrastructure.. One of the main positives of switching to a fiber optic last mile solution is that it is totally passive between the CO and the ONT... Thus, a lot of the maintenance problems in the past can be eliminated, saving a ton of money.
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | My point was that if there is a will, there is a way. It was not that there is a will or any regulation from the gov't to do this. |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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said by Tzale :said by verolom :Here's in idea, keep the copper loop to power the ONT. Bad idea... Verizon wants to get rid of copper and sell it off. They don't want to have to maintain a copper infrastructure.. One of the main positives of switching to a fiber optic last mile solution is that it is totally passive between the CO and the ONT... Thus, a lot of the maintenance problems in the past can be eliminated, saving a ton of money. -Tzale You fail to acknowledge that maintaining a copper loop requires Verizon to offer the loop as an unbundled element to competitive local providers on a wholesale basis.
The maintenance savings are elimination of local competition.
»www.techlawjournal.com/topstorie···1215.asp
Passive electronics have been around at least 15 years.
Passive electronics do not equal passive maintenance.
I call bullshit.
If the fiber infrastructure is providing services and customer prem batteries are providing the backup, what maintenance costs are there to leave the copper connected to the customer premises? |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
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| And what of a cable failure or a tree taking a cable down?
And of the cost of the pressure needed to keep moisture out of the cable? Squirrels, rats, ice?
I know that the fiber will be also be effected by some of this but now 2 crews have to go out to fix it.
Splicing a few fibers is also a lot less time consuming than boarding and splicing a 2400 pair cable.
It is fact. Fiber is easier to maintain. |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
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| said by Pathfinder :And what of a cable failure or a tree taking a cable down? And of the cost of the pressure needed to keep moisture out of the cable? Squirrels, rats, ice? I know that the fiber will be also be effected by some of this but now 2 crews have to go out to fix it. Splicing a few fibers is also a lot less time consuming than boarding and splicing a 2400 pair cable. It is fact. Fiber is easier to maintain. Not sure what you are saying.
Trees can take fiber down (for fun search for bees and fiber outage). Rodents chew through things, Fibber is certainly easier 
Why are two crews needed? Sounds doubly expenpensive to maintain!
Yet splicing a fiber is cheaper at lesser cable bundles.
Fiber rocks, but it ain't cheaper...fiber has it's issues (moisture related as well), but I agree it is where the network provider should head. I don't think there is ANY network provider who would disagree or build otherwise... |
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Answer Guy
join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI
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| Training two sets of techs and outfitting them with different equipment is costly. The huge cost of copper cable materials puts it in a league all by itself when you compare it to fiber. A 100 pair copper costs 8X the cost of a 96 fiber cable in materials. With copper going up every day, this factor will only increase.
Also, Verizon is making a point of burying the fiber in more areas and avoiding aerial when possible. This puts the cable in less danger of being damaged.
If you were to rebuild an entire office from ground zero, fiber is cheaper to build. But, it is also cheaper to maintain and easier to troubleshoot problems than copper. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by Answer Guy :Also, Verizon is making a point of burying the fiber in more areas and avoiding aerial when possible. This puts the cable in less danger of being damaged. FALSE
»www.news12.com/BK/topstories/art···d=194480
»What the hell is going on in Brooklyn? FIOS protest?
They are avoiding it at all costs. Even in Bayside I often see where the copper POTS ducks underground to cross a street between 2 long blocks of houses that are backyard aerial fed, and Verizon added 1 pole on each side walk of the street to be crossed and ran the FIOS feeder aerially. |
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