 TobiasFunke Premium join:2007-02-27 Toronto, ON
| reply to andyb Re: Bell shareholder report re Bell Throttling (was inter. blog.
What's interesting but not immediately obvious in the OP is this:
"With the rapid growth in video and other bandwidth- intensive applications on the Internet, we may need to incur significant capital expenditures to provide additional capacity on our Internet network. We may not be able to recover these costs from customers due to competitors' short term pricing of comparable Internet services. There is also a risk that our efforts to optimize network performance, as a result of significantly increasing broadband demand, through paced FTTN roll-out, traffic management and rate plan changes, could be unsuccessful and result in an increase in our Internet subscriber churn rate beyond our current expectations thereby adversely affecting achievement of our expected number of Internet subscribers in 2008. This could have an adverse effect on our results of operations." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Bell refers to its telco infrastructure as its "Internet network" - this would be a terrible misnomer. That being the case, this would suggest that they lack capacity more at the Internet-facing side of things (read: Sympatico) and not, as they would have us believe, internally.
If true, this makes even more plain the anti-competitive nature of Bell's decision to throttle wholesalers. |
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  sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0 | That refers to everything from the DSLAMs outwards to the onramps. |
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  andyb Premium join:2003-05-29 SW Ontario | reply to TobiasFunke As the OP I was making no calls as to whats obvious or not.I merely posted what I saw.What I see is more than most people in the forums see. |
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 munky99999 Munky
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| reply to andyb You know what... rate plan changes... we get it... you want more money. FINE! We know you are making a profit(20billion$$$$$). So it means better quality service being rolled out. Great. Better service for more money. No problem.
ADSL2++ delayed. No big deal honestly... a load of us aren't even capable of getting 3mbits/sec profiles and you've already said you dont give a shit about us on lower profiles. RDSLAMs cost too much. Plus I am happy enough with the speed I am getting. I download what I need in proper speed. Eve-files gets those movies to me no problem. While I play eve-online. Fine... I'm not going to complain.
You then throttle my internet which effects everything. Suddenly http downloads never ever go over 100kb/s The speed jumps like mad. Everything else is accordingly slowed down. There is obvious issue here. The product I was getting for a price went up in price and the product quality just dropped. That's characteristic of a monopoly. WHY is this happening? Congestion! But there is no congestion. Hmmm. What is targeted? p2p and bittorrents. The things that CRIA has been crying about for ages.
CRIA would send letters and stuff constantly... cogeco would forward the letter but wouldn't reveal information so CRIA could sue. Bell never even forwarded the letter. Not even scare tactics.
Suddenly bell is playing their game and are doing exactly what CRIA would love for them to do.
They unfortunately saw how many of their customers followed the free market and went to the better service and/or product. Which is their competitors who didn't throttle. Which is a huge failure for bell.
At this point however they were basically screwed. The free market and competition laws will basically not get you into any sort of boycott or PR disaster but people effected by slow speeds... and if you see a giant decrease in speeds. You notice no matter how computer savvy you are. You will want to know why. You discover teksavvy saying how your internet is being purposely messed with and if you come to their dsl plan you wont have any problems switching over and you will regain your speed.
Bell was basically just committing suicide. That's it. They were going to loose their market share. Which means bad things for them... but there's no problem. Competition will force them to change that tactic. Which isnt good for bell. Money down the drain.
When they broke the law and started throttling their competition. Completely in the attempt of non-competition. They broke a federal law and are now dealing with the PR disaster. People who would never ever have heard about throttling and dont even care... wont bother going to bell. Many wont renew contracts. Just because of this one. Add on top of this that they will be eventually ordered to at least stop throttling the competition. Which in turn will screw them royally as they go back to the free market and have to compete against no throttling. That wont work out.
The people who are downloading like mad arent going to change. They are going to find competition who allows them to download. Collusion and refusal to deal anti-competition wont work for long.
How much did Microsoft have to pay the EU? 1.5 billion for their anti-competition? What effect do the board of directors think 2 billion having to be paid? I think if I had to give a big chunk of my cash away I wouldnt be happy. |
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  sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0 1 edit | This is nothing to do with CRIA. Were it CRIA induced there's a far easier way of dealing with it. Start turfing people off! Moreover, there wouldn't be a public backlash because they'd start waving about spin control words. |
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 munky99999 Munky
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| said by sbrook :This is nothing to do with CRIA. Were it CRIA induced there's a far easier way of dealing with it. Start turfing people off! Moreover, there wouldn't be a public backlash because they'd start waving about spin control words. Except the supreme courts have shut that possibility down. |
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