inferno_gn
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join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC
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Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others
Hi there,
Rocky and Marc are brothers?  That's cool to know. They should have put a color picture. *hehe*
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | There's a third brother called Eric (who almost never posts here, though). |
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inferno_gn
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join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC | reply to TSI Gabe
Hi there,
Eric is the guy who posted the Home Phone thingy?
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TSI Gabe
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join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON | Guys, the scale was not changed. The graphs show the actual real difference.
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | But it does not coincide with the throttling hours. |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by inferno_gn  :Hi there, Eric is the guy who posted the Home Phone thingy? inferno_gn Yes. He has posted once or twice before that, but not much. |
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TSI Gabe
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join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON
1 edit | reply to Black Moon
said by Black Moon :But it does not coincide with the throttling hours. Thats because the traffic flow graph starts at midnight, the RRD graph starts at arround 1:00PM
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
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·Bell Sympatico
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said by R0CKY :I mentioned this in the "discount thread" but thought it was worth repeating. As a result of this stuff (not being forewarned, etc...), we've now over-committed on transit! We've committed to the following: Peer1 - 1,000Mbps Internap - 800Mbps Cogent - 600Mbps Teleglobe - 100Mbps T-Systems - 100Mbps Total committed - 2,600Mbps So, savings.... after having sat down and done the math today with these graphs???? Don't think so. Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind running a fiber to my house.  |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by TSI Gabe :[Thats because the traffic flow graph starts at midnight, the RRD graph starts at arround 1:00PM Gosh, Gabe, you're right! Indeed, the throttling shaved off 66% of your traffic and indeed not only P2P is affected.
Hopefully you can use this in any possible forthcming legal dispute. |
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inferno_gn
Premium
join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC | reply to TSI Gabe
Hi there,
To be honest, I don't get the graph. *lol*
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JayMan
Whoot
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join:2002-06-05
Earth | reply to TSI Gabe
Why do people question what is sitting right infront of them. The graphs prove they are throttling what else do you all want??? |
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Name96
join:2008-03-28
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said by TSI Gabe :Guys, the scale was not changed. The graphs show the actual real difference. If the second and third graphs are taken at face value, then Bell traffic shaping has reduced TSI's entire bandwidth needs to one third of what they were, even during the hours that P2P isn't degraded.
Is this what you're saying? |
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lance_
Premium
join:2008-03-30
Toronto, ON | reply to TSI Gabe
Thanks for posting this Gabe. I'm glad TSI is so open about the matter.
I'm shocked by the difference. BitTorrent doesn't even use UDP for payload, so that 75% drop in UDP is stunning. I think I'll write to the minister of industry. |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
·Bell Sympatico
2 edits | reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :I mentioned this in the "discount thread" but thought it was worth repeating. As a result of this stuff (not being forewarned, etc...), we've now over-committed on transit! We've committed to the following: Peer1 - 1,000Mbps Internap - 800Mbps Cogent - 600Mbps Teleglobe - 100Mbps T-Systems - 100Mbps Total committed - 2,600Mbps So, savings.... after having sat down and done the math today with these graphs???? Don't think so. This should be claimed to Bell as actual damages to TSI done by them doing it without forewarning .... If it is the same situation for all ISP it could add up to a nice sum (?)
Also exemplary damages should be asked to deter them from doing anything like this again without consulting with you first. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | We just renegotiated both the Peer1 and Cogent contracts in the last 4 to 6 weeks if I recall! 
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
·Bell Sympatico
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This could be a civil suit separate from the complaint to the CRTC. And you can sue together with the other ISP. I dont know if the tariffs or the specific contract you have with Bell precludes the possibility but if there is none it could be a possibility.
I dont know the numbers but you and the other ISP can claim a lot of things when you think about it.
1) extra transit cost and any other cost committed based on your prior planning (ie equipment for upgrade, manpower on upgrade project that you did based on previous bandwidth requirements)
2) direct damage on your business from loss of customers due to this. Loss of existing customers and loss of future customers.
3) damage on your brand name and reputation since you are were advertising no throttled internet. cost of change in your marketing campaign ( website change, advertising)
4) Extra support overtime or manpower needed to respond to increased calls resulting from this sudden change imposed on your customers
5) exemplary damages as a preventive measure
Others can add in if they think of anything. |
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Bskll
join:2004-02-02
Toronto, ON
clubs: | reply to TSI Gabe
don't forget the almighty Punitive damages |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| said by Bskll :don't forget the almighty Punitive damages Punitive damages are rarely awarded in Canadian judgements, so that's a non-starter. The fact that Bell did this without any prior warning, causing these ISPs significant financial hardship is most certainly grounds for some kind of suit, and shows a lot of bad faith on the part of Bell. In addition, the terms of the contract - the terms that Bell claims gives them this right - have been revealed to be no right at all, unless Bit Torrent, P2P, VoIP and other services are somehow considered network hacking.
I'd really like to see someone apply for an injunction pending the outcome of the case, especially considering the financial implications that are becoming more and more apparent.
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JayMan
Whoot
Premium
join:2002-06-05
Earth | reply to TSI Gabe
Add on make Bell start spending some money to improve the network, give people access to ADSL2 etc... |
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NBomb
join:2007-01-23
Etobicoke, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| I've said it before, but honestly I would really just like more upstream. 5/2 would be just divine. 11mbit down is really more than I have a practical use for.
In my case, ADSL2+ isn't really that exciting, since at most I'll probably see 1mbit up. |
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