Re: Erroneous assumptions in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20240747 en Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:43:38 EDT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:43:38 EDT Re: Erroneous assumptions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240966 tshirt :
said by TamaraB See Profile :

Right, they care about customers actually using the bandwidth they were sold.

No doubt they (marketing dept.) oversold their(network operations) capacity.
It's a situation where they need the income to increase the network, and the high demand is driving them to do so, but demand rises faster than the physical network buildout can occur.
The desire for higher speed drives their business (otherwise we'd all still be on dialup)
for some there will never be fast enough speeds, and the need to "manage" consumption will always be needed.
P@P will never reach the point of ultimately undetectable, and unstoppable.
The fact that there are 28 or more commerial entities competing to detect/block P2P shows how much money is available to the business end. can the P2P crowd afford to continue their side of the "war" with the few (so far) legitimate business oppertunities (ie income producing) for P2P apps?
As you point out the cold war became largely about money and ended mostly due to bankruptcy of the soviet bloc.

BTW nice boat ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240966 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:34:42 EDT Re: Erroneous assumptions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240747 TamaraB :
said by tshirt See Profile :

... illegitimate use, however I don't think they care ...
Right, they care about customers actually using the bandwidth they were sold.

This nexus of common interest between the music industry and ISPs is a dangerous one, and it seems the ISPs have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

A revenue stream for ISPs, but no help, and an endless task for the music industry.

My first job was in the defense industry, we engineered ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) gear for the military. For every ECM the Russians would implement a Counter ECM, when it was "fixed" another would pop up! Oh.... the employment bonanza of the cold war years :-) Point being, spend all this effort to stop current P2P use, and it will evolve into a better more private system, ultimately undetectable, and unstoppable.

The more pressure put on P2P, the better it will get.

Bob
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This association of P2P with piracy is good propaganda, but hardly based in any provable facts. It's a crock!

Bob
you're correct, but with almost anything it only takes a few abusers to taint all users (and illegal use of P2P is reported to be the vast majority of it's use.)
The press seems to assume that ISP's are seeking to block P2P because it's illegitimate use, however I don't think they care (other than defending themselves from any liablity) about that nearly as much as they do about the effect on their network, due to the way it is used/the way it works. (high number of connections, extreme and continous bandwidth usage)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240621 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:31:34 EDT Re: Erroneous assumptions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240543 major marco :
said by TamaraB See Profile :

Not everyone who drives a car runs red lights! This association of P2P with piracy is good propaganda, but hardly based in any provable facts. It's a crock!

Bob
When have you known any entertainment org that embraces a scorched earth/P2P is bad policy to allow facts to get in the way? It's whatever sounds good and how much money they can shovel into the pockets of the American aristocracy (Congre$$) to get laws passed to protect their obsolete distribution model.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240543 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:14:13 EDT Erroneous assumptions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240470 TamaraB :
BS!

the advantage is with P2P perps that want all-they-can-eat capacity and easy access to pirated materials.
Not everyone who drives a car runs red lights! This association of P2P with piracy is good propaganda, but hardly based in any provable facts. It's a crock!

Bob
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