bjack
join:2006-01-30
Reading, MA
| Nobody pays for music
Please, i don't know of any friend that has paid for music if they can get it for free, unless they are huge fans and want the extra bonus stuff like NIN was selling to try to get some money. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT NIN IS DOING IS RIPPING OFF THEIR HARD CORE FANS TO GET SOME MONEY WHILE GIVING IT AWAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CASUAL LISTENERS!???!?!?!??
Great job Trent - nice way to treat your fans???
What about these issues:
A. So if you give away your music, then you have absolutely no money to start planning and promoting a tour.
B. People say that you get money from touring. Okay, so what is you suck live, as many bands do, or are unable to really set up a profitable tour due to the fact that it's not always easy to do unless you get a proven following who is willing to pay. |
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Cogdis
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| He really only gave away part 1.
He sold all 4 parts for $5. I bought a copy because I'm a fan and it was a great price.
Look, people who steal music are gonna steal music (unless they get sued for a million bucks). But fans who want to support the artist so that they will continue to make music for them to enjoy will take advantage of this medium.
Meanwhile, trent is STILL making more money than he was making through the label because he cut out the middle man (who take like 90% of the profit). WIN WIN! |
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Boogeyman
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Huntsville, AL | reply to bjack
If you notice, most of the bands that suck live are the cookie cutter pop bands that the studios push out. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
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said by bjack  :Please, i don't know of any friend that has paid for music if they can get it for free Then they are cheap and need to ask the manager at Burger King for a raise. Seriously artists have a right to SOME compensation. WTF is wrong with people? If Amazon reduced it's price of DRM free MP3s to 19¢, people would still find an excuse to steal. Frankly if you don't think a song you are going to listen to hundreds maybe even thousands of times over the years is worth 99¢ then it's not really worth owning in the first place.
This whole "The music sucks so it should be free." line I hear from some people doesn't even make sense. If something sucks why do you even want it even if it's free? If I gave you a dog crap sandwich would you eat it just because it was free? |
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MIRV
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Louisville, KY | It's just economics. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? |
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fractalman93
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I agree. Although I know plenty of casual listeners out there who could probably care less about downloading (much less perchasing) an entire album when they only like one song, I am not of that type. I know what I like and I like what I know. Furthermore, I am willing to pay for it because I am more band and album oriented than 80% of the population. Do I download stuff for free? Sure. But I also support musicians I like by both purchasing their albums and often spreading the word that they are great musicians.
If there are 2 bands on this planet that deserve much more publicity and support than they have ever received, it's Saga and Simple Minds. Both bands have been around since the 70's. Both have more talent than many of their contemporaries --and much more talent than 99% of today's bands. Yet, they have been slighted by their labels and media congolerates such as Clear Channel alike.
Check them out:
Simple Minds
Saga
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fractalman93
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To show your @%$#ing support for the musicians!! |
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gaforces
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join:2002-04-07
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NIN didn't rip off their fans, the fans that stole the music did.
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AquaBlaze
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said by BF69 :This whole "The music sucks so it should be free." line I hear from some people doesn't even make sense. *shrugs* The line with me is "the music sucks, so I don't buy it". I may P2P to determine the rate/amount of suck, but in the end, if the music sucks out loud, it all gets thrown off my players, computer, everything. |
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Pirate515
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said by BF69 :If Amazon reduced its price of DRM-free MP3s to 19¢, people would still find an excuse to steal. True, but IMO the number of people stealing at that price will drammatically increase while the number of people buying music legitimately will increase.
There is a category of people out there who refuse to pay for anything no matter how cheap it is. This is not the category that the music industry should be focusing on. Even if RIAA manages to shut down all the channels via which these people steal, what have they really accomplished for the artists? IMO absolutely nothing. If these people can no longer steal, it doesn't mean that they will go out and start buying music instead. They will simply do without. So RIAA would have simply wasted their time, efforts and money while giving their members absolutely nothing in return.
Another group are hardcore fans. These guys will pretty much buy everything their favorite band(s) put(s) out, no matter how much the cost. No need to focus on these either, as you will be preaching to the choir.
On the other hand, let's focus on the working class category. These are the people who have some money to spend on entertainment and some free time on their hands. Now, if the music they want costs an arm and a leg and comes with restrictions, for some it might be worth the time, efforts and risks associated with trying to steal it. However, lower the price to a reasonable level, and trying to steal it becomes pointless for many. If for a small amount of money you can get the real deal, not have to worry about getting caught and use your time for something more interesting, than why bother stealing it? That is the group that I think the music industry should be focusing on. Again, you can't totally rid the world of piracy, but you can minimize to the point that it becomes insignificant.
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bigskank
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said by MIRV :It's just economics. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? Makes perfect since. That's why the bottled water market is doing so badly. I mean, who would pay $3.00 for something they can turn on their tap and get for next to nothing.
Oh, wait... |
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GPSrob
join:2007-05-21
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Because you obviously don't get the same thing.
Buying it indicates that it has value to you and in participating in the trade of money for goods you know you're contributing to the welfare of the person that made something you enjoy. Particularly in this direct method when 100% of the revenue hits the original artist who then pays his costs of business as opposed to the other way around when the artist gets paid last and mostly screwed which is actually a disincentive to buy it in the traditional method. |
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said by MIRV :It's just economics. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? 500,000 of that was most likely trent buying his own crap under a guise
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maxpower
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500,000 of that was most likely trent buying his own crap under a guise
Proof? |
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said by fractalman93 :To show your @%$#ing support for the musicians!! There's @%$#ing support for the musicians!! I thought groupies didn't care how good there were. 
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Tzale
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said by bjack :Please, i don't know of any friend that has paid for music if they can get it for free, unless they are huge fans and want the extra bonus stuff like NIN was selling to try to get some money. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT NIN IS DOING IS RIPPING OFF THEIR HARD CORE FANS TO GET SOME MONEY WHILE GIVING IT AWAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CASUAL LISTENERS!???!?!?!?? Great job Trent - nice way to treat your fans??? What about these issues: A. So if you give away your music, then you have absolutely no money to start planning and promoting a tour. B. People say that you get money from touring. Okay, so what is you suck live, as many bands do, or are unable to really set up a profitable tour due to the fact that it's not always easy to do unless you get a proven following who is willing to pay. Oh come on... The main argument behind music piracy is that the cost of a CD is outrageous for what you get ($20 for 1-3 "good" songs and the rest filler)... This is what fed the P2P Revolution a few years ago... With deals like these $5 for a CD, that argument no longer holds true.. They have to charge money ya' know, it's only fair... Would I pay? Maybe if I really liked the artist, but since I'm a poor student, I could use my money in other ways.
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Tzale
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said by BF69 :said by bjack :Please, i don't know of any friend that has paid for music if they can get it for free Then they are cheap and need to ask the manager at Burger King for a raise. Seriously artists have a right to SOME compensation. WTF is wrong with people? If Amazon reduced it's price of DRM free MP3s to 19¢, people would still find an excuse to steal. Frankly if you don't think a song you are going to listen to hundreds maybe even thousands of times over the years is worth 99¢ then it's not really worth owning in the first place. This whole "The music sucks so it should be free." line I hear from some people doesn't even make sense. If something sucks why do you even want it even if it's free? If I gave you a dog crap sandwich would you eat it just because it was free? Well said... And I'm behind the P2P Revolution, when there is an ARGUMENT to be behind it... When groups set their prices low like this, then obviously I'm not going to side with some loser who thinks everything should be free!
They're the same people who think that me sitting down and coding an application in C++ for a year or two isn't worth $19.99! 
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Tzale
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said by MIRV :It's just economics. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? Why?
Because it's the moral thing to do... Obviously you weren't around or don't remember the ORIGINAL reason for the P2P Revolution.... People were pissed at the record companies charging $20 for a CD full of 90% filler music.
Charging a little amount of money is only fair... And don't pull that BS that they're going to make millions even at a small amount... They deserve it then. We live in a free country, and it's the morally right thing to do... If you can't afford it truly, then maybe I'll side with you... But just saying that there is NO reason to purchase something even at a very fair price is simply STEALING...
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Tzale
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said by bigskank :said by MIRV :It's just economics. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? Makes perfect since. That's why the bottled water market is doing so badly. I mean, who would pay $3.00 for something they can turn on their tap and get for next to nothing. Oh, wait... You can buy bottled water for $0.05 if you buy it in 24-36 pack cases... And clearly SPRING water IS superior in taste to tap water which has a chlorine taste to it. Not all bottled water is spring water.
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