hopeflicker
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Re: wow
said by TK Junk Mail  :said by en102 :What's the point of having 50/50Mbps when you're throttled/capped ? The caps will change upward as the infrastructure is improved. The current word is they tossed users that were well north of 100 GBs/month. So when the infrastructure is enhanced double, triple, etc, the caps will be too. Highly unlikely. They will keep the caps intact to force users to pay more if they go over their invisible limit. Isn't that what big business' want? capitalize on everything?
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TheSaint
join:2002-01-25
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clubs: | I agree. The caps will stay in place otherwise they'll cannibalize off their business accounts. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | reply to hopeflicker
You bet..have to make money where possible, and have your cake + eat it too.
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by en102 :You bet..have to make money where possible, and have your cake + eat it too. You and the previous 2 posters are wrong. The caps will rise. You can bet on it.
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en102
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Valencia, CA
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| I don't disagree that caps will rise... however, I do suspect that the caps/filtering will be such that Comcast will still throttle or cap you for what they deem excessive, and not what _is_ excessive.
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TK Junk Mail
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February 27th, @02:51PM
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Re: wow
said by en102 :I don't disagree that caps will rise... however, I do suspect that the caps/filtering will be such that Comcast will still throttle or cap you for what they deem excessive I agree with that. There will always be those who see it as a challenge to eat up every last bite of bandwidth whether they will ever watch anything that they actually download. And for people like that caps are necessary.
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en102
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Valencia, CA
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| True: Malicious traffic (open relays, hosting newsgroups, botnets, etc. ) and general hackers can be dealt with.
However, if I decide to stream HD video, lets say 8 hours / day, I should not be deemed and excessive user. For reasons like this, I'm still on DSL. No CAPS, no filters (smtp is currently filtered, but can be removed by request), and very little jitter.
In fact, DSL-Extreme doesn't care if I run servers off my connection.
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ
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Are you people from the Barack Obama School of Technology? If we hope long enough, increased bandwidth will just appear? The money they make is what will enable them to make the investments needed to offer the faster speeds....
The level of intellectual disconnect displayed by forum posters is stunning...
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA
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The reason for the caps is that bandwidth is currently limited and they are trying to preserve good performance for the majority of their users. Once the bottle neck is gone, the caps will rise in step with that. Comcast is out to make money, but when they no longer have a reason to have such low caps, they will go up.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
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'excessive' bandwidth usage should be based on past history and current network load. it should not depend on what the data being transmitted is (game server data, p2p, youtube, etc.), only that it is data. i'd probably consider you an excessive bandwidth user for those 8 hours, assuming it is fairly often and network load is high. i'd have no problem limiting your connection during peak network usage (say ~90% utilization of network capacity) to allow for others that may need to do just sporadic downloading for small files.
in the end, it is not fair to those that don't do huge amounts of downloading or uploading all the time be penalized with a slower connection, packet dropping, or unstable pings because a few that saturate their connection all the time. ideally, caps should do this, but in reality probably not so much. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to NyQuil Kid
Who says I need any more bandwidth ? I just don't need what I have capped/filtered/throttled
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BabyBear
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| said by en102 :Who says I need any more bandwidth ? I just don't need what I have capped/filtered/throttled Or passed on to any agency for "snoopage" purposes, including but not limited to NSA, CIA, RIAA, MPAA, FBI, AAA, DHS, FEMA, EU, ABC, 123, Do, Ra, Me.  |
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otis_sh
join:2007-05-04
Ann Arbor, MI
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The caps are one thing, but them getting it wrong is another.
If you can't log into your account with them and see what you've transfered, you've got very little in the way of defending yourself when they get it wrong (and they do get it wrong sometimes).
Sure, who doesn't want that speed, and caps are even dealable with, but the secrecy and how they do things sort of puts a whole damper on that.
The problem is the corporate culture, the business practices, the secrecy, the arrogance. That's the problem. Fix that, the caps aren't really as big a deal anymore. |
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en102
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Well, lets say that there's a new company out there, pushing HD IPTV . All I need is an Internet connection. Now should my TV service over the Internet be capped because I don't want to pay for Comcast TV service ?
I've downloaded a few Linux DVD ISO images, on DSL, and have never had any issues (we're talking many GB here). If I'm paying for a 6Mbps line, I should be able to use it.
The cable model is based on high speed bursts, not sustained high end downloads / uploads due to the shared nature. They shouldn't oversell a node. Comcast even described this in their FCC statement yesterday. What sort of sucks is that its on a node by node basis where the issue occurs. You could be on a node with no traffic and consume almost as much as possible, while being on a node with a few high consumption neighbors, your status would degrade.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | reply to BabyBear
That's why I'm not on AT&T... but DSL-Extreme 
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en102
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February 27th, @03:58PM
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I don't have any real issues with CAPS/throttling, as long as
A) I know the actual limit of MY usage before being capped/throttled.
B) My consumption limit isn't based on a neighborhood usage., but my usage.
C) All the cards are on the table BEFORE I sign up for service.
I've been thinking about migrating to Cable (TW here) for a package deal, or even AT&T, however, I use this line for business, and I don't want some corp. bean counter deciding for me that I can't run certain apps, or that I can't use a specific amount of bandwidth per month, or specific time of day.
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jt55
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he didn't say they would get ride of teh cap. they will just increase the cap some. everytime they increase there speed they have increase there cap a little but it is alway there. |
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dlewis23
join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
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I do..... And so does any other web 2.0 developer.
We are tried of having to compress and lower the quality of our stuff so people with slow connections don't have to wait 10 minutes for the web app to load.
Once this, or even 10mbps starts to become the norm, you are going too see a exposition in the quality of the way websites look. |
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EG
The wings of love
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Any tangible evidence ??? |
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