Re: They're plenty bright in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19991422 en Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:13:49 EDT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:13:49 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20007604 anon : Yeah!

There IS no piracy.
Sharing is NOT stealing. Never has been, never will.
What IS illegal is the gov, ms, you name it, slapping people with fines for creating copies of things they buy.

You can do whatever you want with what you buy.
Secondly, the fact that they are lying to you when you buy it, & treating it like a rental... It is called truth in advertising...

FALSE ADVERTISING! They need to be sued 7 brought down.
So what if someone creates a billion copies? If they bought it, they own it!

You can't "own" "intellectual property" besides!
If you could, no-one would be able to think the same thought twice.

Riaa, mpaa, whoever, if you are reading this, rot in hell, I DON'T CARE!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20007604 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:24:51 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19998647 GlobalMind :
said by Neyland85 See Profile :

Actually I *believe* there is. Most of the fair use doctrine established by the courts deals directly with ANALOG home recording technology, the use for commentary, research, and education. Making a copy for yourself crosses into the copyright holders duplication section of the law which gives the copyright holder rights of duplication. By purchasing the 'performance' the copyright holder has not transfered that right of duplication to you.

Many of the laws that deal with copyright seem to be more lax on analog technology and virtually strips the consumer of any protection on digital media. In fact, the way I read it, I'm surprised that DVRs are even legal.
Well the Sony Betamax case »www.museum.tv/archives/etv/B/htm···case.htm created the foundation for extending home video recording of TV programming to time-shift the program.

The media folks have also acknowledged - see major marco's post - that copying for your own use is OK (after they said it wasn't). Personally I think the intent to distribute is really the kicker in the whole thing.

What they're annoyed with is that they don't make money off the copyright when songs are uploaded or CDs copied and then distributed.

k.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19998647 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:05:01 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19995795 Kearnstd : well the ISPs are also partly to blame "download your favorite music 100x faster then dialup"
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

"They" (a generic they) just have no morals and don't give a sh!t about other people's property, physical or virtual.

To these individuals, everything should be free.

You can thank their idiot parents for this excellent set of values.

Unfortunately, the MPAA and RIAA criminal racketeers are no better.
why is everyone so quick to blame the children. The children have done nothing wrong there is nothing in there generation worth pirateing blame the parents at least we had good music to copy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993991 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:42:11 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993386 Neyland85 : Actually I *believe* there is. Most of the fair use doctrine established by the courts deals directly with ANALOG home recording technology, the use for commentary, research, and education. Making a copy for yourself crosses into the copyright holders duplication section of the law which gives the copyright holder rights of duplication. By purchasing the 'performance' the copyright holder has not transfered that right of duplication to you.

Many of the laws that deal with copyright seem to be more lax on analog technology and virtually strips the consumer of any protection on digital media. In fact, the way I read it, I'm surprised that DVRs are even legal.

I wrote my congressman about the need for true copyright reform and a 'consumer' bill of rights that define an owner's rights after purchasing a work. He replied with some 2006 brief to congress on the current state of copyright law.

Again, this is how I read what the brief (~30 pages). I'm not a lawyer. What struck me was, Ok you've looked out for the copyright holder... where have you given any rights to the consumer?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993386 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:44:30 EDT Re: Own it today! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993217 anon : That's a good point.

The ad doesn't say "own the dvd" but "own it on DVD" -- heh, so I guess it's Sony's fault we have an expectation of 'owning' the movie.

Kewl, I may go own some more movies today. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19993217 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:26:23 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992177 joako : It's only a bad sign if you know of "vbs net cn"

LOL Windows anti-piracy.
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09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992177 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:25:17 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992133 jester121 : Damn pirates! hehe

(is it a bad sign if I recognize that code?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992133 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:14:33 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992089 joako : What crap is that you need to REGISTER to take a poll?

/edit: Ended up registering with username FCKGWRHQQ2

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09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992089 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:06:53 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992059 GlobalMind : Ahh, good call. Forgot that one.

I was actually referring to the recent case where initially it looked like they were suing over the guy ripping the CD, but in fact it was for his distribution of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19992059 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:01:46 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991486 punker :
said by knightmb See Profile :

I looked at one of their polls (voted in it too :p )

Interesting results from the "kids".
EVEN Sony says


"own it" on dvd today or on XXXXXX date

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said by GlobalMind See Profile :

What I have been saying for awhile now is that they're beginning to make statements which call into question the very notion of ripping a CD you purchase for your own use.

They aren't saying it is "illegal" flat out yet, but as I see it they're staging things in such a way to almost make that argument.
Actually, the brilliant minds at the RIAA have already said as much, but then typically backpedaled when they were collectively laughed outta the blogosphere.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

In looking at the poll I'd vote the same way.

Sure looks like if I own the CD, I could make a personal copy under the fair use provision as many times as I need one.

The poll makes no mention of what those copies are used for of if they imply giving it away (piracy).
Yea this poll sucks on ice.

Fact is that as you say there is no mention of the use of the ripped copy, and honestly there is no violation of copyright in ripping the cd 100x for your own personal use.

This poll might or might not have been dictated by the RIAA but whomever created it is an idiot.

What I have been saying for awhile now is that they're beginning to make statements which call into question the very notion of ripping a CD you purchase for your own use.

They aren't saying it is "illegal" flat out yet, but as I see it they're staging things in such a way to almost make that argument.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991398 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:08:28 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991324 Dogfather : In looking at the poll I'd vote the same way.

Sure looks like if I own the CD, I could make a personal copy under the fair use provision as many times as I need one.

The poll makes no mention of what those copies are used for of if they imply giving it away (piracy).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991324 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:59:27 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991216 major marco : Two words for this poll: OH PLEASE.

A total of 501 10th grade students were interviewed for this poll. 501 out of HOW many gajillions of people download -in the **AAs estimation- or is something like $100 gajillion dollars they're "losing" to "pirates." I keep mixing the two up.

In other news, I conducted my own poll and found that 100% of corporate executives thought that it was OK to buy off a politician to get legislation passed in their industry's favor and in an additional poll, another 100% of *AAs executives had absolutely no idea what fair rights use was.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19991216 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:44:55 EDT Re: They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19990331 knightmb : I looked at one of their polls (voted in it too :p )

Interesting results from the "kids".
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19990331 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:32:58 EDT They're plenty bright http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19990098 Dogfather : "They" (a generic they) just have no morals and don't give a sh!t about other people's property, physical or virtual.

To these individuals, everything should be free.

You can thank their idiot parents for this excellent set of values.

Unfortunately, the MPAA and RIAA criminal racketeers are no better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19990098 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:49:05 EDT