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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! quote:
U.S. again fails to make the list, though AT&T is trying....
Off we go!
BTW - We've heard a lot of not-so-good things about AT&T's IPTV service, specifically regarding limitations on HDTV. I don't know if they have resolved these now, but if they haven't, would we really want to embrace this technology?
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@comcast.net | Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! I'll cue the "they suck" whining instead. I'll keep my 'overpriced' 8Mbps speeds, PSTN, and 120 non-IPTV channels, and they can keep their high taxes, gov't provided health 'care', and bandwidth crunch susceptible IPTV. | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! Cue the apologists shilling.... Why should people in the USA get crappy, 1/3rd the service, 3 times the price, Non-options?
Whining? Hardly. Legitimate issue? I think so... | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! How did you determine 1/3 the service and 3 times the price? Last time I checked, a majority of the population in the US have paid TV service. The mechanism of providing paid TV service is really irrelevant as long as you are willing to pay, and receive, the content. Personally, I'm happy with the tried and true RF over coax and satellite TV. | |
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KrK
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! From comments like "offers French consumers a DSL/IPTV/VoIP triple play bundle for $45 a month". That's about 1/3rd the price here.
I bargin shopped and got the best deal I could get (and I'm on some introductory pricing, it goes up later) and I'm paying $125 for TV, Phone, Broadband. And not the top end options either. So $45 sounds damn good to me.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! It's all relative. Personally, I'm more than happy to make the money I make, pay the taxes that I pay, have the cost of living that I have, and pay the money that I do for the services that I get rather than live in France and all of the things that are inherent with doing so. I've lived in Europe before and have a very good friend who was born and raised in France (who's chosen to be a US citizen over a French citizen) and I'll choose the US every time. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of awesome countries with incredible history, they just can't compete with quality of life and cost of living, IMO. | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! Amazing how these threads go. It's not about having to live like the French to get the deal. It's just an example of what we COULD have here, if we didn't allow it to be bolluxed up so badly. | |
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Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! But it is about having to live like the French, because you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. I would love to have everything that I have now and pay a 1/3 of the cost for my televion, ISP, and voice, but that's not the world we live in. If somebody comes up with a plan to make that a reality, then I'm all for it. | |
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KrK
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1 edit | Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! The idea is competition. The French encouraged and the Government backed up local loop unbundling which opened the door for competition. That competition was originally riding the existing Telco lines, but as they got their footing, they began building out their own networks and fiber and now you have the result --- modern, competing telecommunications services resulting in more options and lower prices.
WE were OH so close here.... We started down that path... and providers were starting to buildout their own networks... but our Government backed off protecting the fledglings from the ravages of the ILEC's and gave up on local loop unbundling-- that, combined with the dot com crash, and boom all the startups (A few barely hanging on, IE Covad) went under, and we reap the rewards today-- only a few choices, no options, and high prices.
It's sad. With just a little more leadership from the Administration and the FCC we'd be right where the French are now-- hell, we'd be better off, IMHO because we started first and because we have many content producers here.
Oh so close... but we dropped the ball.
We could have it, down the road, but it requires action and leadership now.... and it would require forcing the existing players, at least for a time, to allow access to their networks... and you know they'd fight that every step of the way... but if the Government or FCC held firm, down the road, say 10 years, the payoff would be clear--- competition. Choices. State of the art networks. Sadly, I think it's very unlikely to happen... no matter which party is in control. | |
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| I agree with you , this is one time I don't think we should see the comments about how we fall behind , for once this is another technology that is really just not ready for prime time.
The content providers control in the us will destroy the delivery systems soon.
Thank god for toshiba dropping hd player costs yet again , to really hit the point home that the content providers chose the wrong format and the people should be proving what format we want. Not the content providers telling us what we want.
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pnh102
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV?
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| said by pnh102  :Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV? Control ! Nothing more nothing less.
The content providers load up the DRM so no one who isn't paying can see it. They despise the idea of free content , like ota tv. Even on an ip based system they fear some one seeing something they don't pay for. And iptv gives them more assurance.
I'd have to find the article but there are plenty from the blu-ray CES expo that basically asked the content providers why they chose blu-ray and what they see in the future , they want full control over the media and the transport so you can't see something without paying. It relates to IPTV because it was one of the stumbling block MS had in the introduction of their iptv set up.
Thankfully companies like Sun avoided it all together by just providing the equipment, not the protection schemes.
These companies providing iptv want a piece of the content pie. Which I feel is disgusting , provide me a bigger pipe to my world , which is the web , I will find my own content.
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pnh102
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! said by BosstonesOwn :Control ! Nothing more nothing less. While I agree with your sentiment about DRM, this is not something that cannot already be done with existing cable TV or satellite TV systems. IPTV is just another way of doing the same thing. It does not seem to be better or worse than what we have here now.
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! iptv is very inefficient. Multicasting is so much less difficult. And so much more sensible. Not to mention cheaper.
It's actually worse , it takes more resources to accomplish the same thing, which is a waste in general.
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! said by BosstonesOwn :iptv is very inefficient. Multicasting is so much less difficult. And so much more sensible. Not to mention cheaper. It's actually worse , it takes more resources to accomplish the same thing, which is a waste in general. How do you figure? IPTV is capable of holding unused channels at the edge router. That results in less information to your TV. You have to think, there is less equipment involved in the end. Instead of occupying all that space multicasting hundreds of channels, you only stream the ones you use. So I am not understanding how IPTV is less efficent, you aren't wasting space that could be used for something else like, oh, faster internet... Now TELCO IPTV, if done with VDSL is too much equipment, but through cable, it's a viable option with the HD revolution, and the speed increases being done to internet connections. You never know, cable could bring in IPTV here and make a new cable modem standard allowing a little more competition with fiber service. I know there is things that can be done to give fiber more room too, but if you are talking about efficiency, then you can't beat IPTV... But oh well.
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! You don't understand IPTV enough to know the differences. I liked playing with Sun's video delivery system while I was there , and it used IPtv , not multicasting. Which is why not many people bought it yet. Well accept the folks who purchased it to be used to store the content they needed to stream.
Multicasting the channel on ip is what cable co's want to use. Holding it at the edge is a buzz statement to try and solve a problem. This is a half assed attempt.
Iptv can only be streamed to 1 device at a time. If you have channel 100 streaming it takes another stream to hit me doubling the bandwidth used at the point of aggregation to the user. If we are on the same node we wasted a stream thus we wasted bandwidth that could be used by yet another victim of iptv. Multicasting avoids this. it lets the 2nd user pick up the stream as long as it's being broadcast already. IPtv as it stand does not allow this. It's actually considered a big security issue.
Cable multicasting is nothing new. What is new is they had the sense to see that they have to try and hold back unused channels. However just ask those folks in the beta regions. They are getting black screens with some cryptic messages on them. They did not plan on so many people wanting different channels.
Right now it's not ready for prime time. 1 way communications benefit from multicasting , it's just the way it is for now.
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| said by pnh102 :Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV? exactly. Fox Noise is the only channel needed.
Any on demand niche research report type programs are completely unnecessary. | |
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join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA
| said by pnh102 :Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV? It's called competition, dimwit. | |
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pnh102
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| Re: Cue the "USA Sucks" Whining! said by ackman :It's called competition, dimwit. Learn to read, please. Do you think the average customer cares how his/her TV service is delivered?
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