Solitude
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| Verizon Fios Competition
Does anyone consider FIOS competition to OOL? Are their packages, prices and reputation competitive enough that you'd consider switching to them?
Speaking mainly to the people who have OOL (BOOST) and can get the 50/20 package from Verizon.
Because really this is what's going to get OOL to release a faster tier sooner, people switching to FIOS/competition.
Personally, I want the 50/20, but I can't spend $95 a month (with a contract)
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BLUNTED 1
join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY
| Service wise yes Verizon is better by far and is the most consistent service I have ever had and thats even comparing it to SDSL and T-1 that I had. When my Boost was working up to par it would be a tough switch for the internet but my OOL is different everyday so I went with Fios and its the same all the time. I didn't try the Fios tv yet so I can't comment on the service but the internet is awesome just make sure you order exactly what you want so you don't have to even call billing and go through there crap.  |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
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said by Solitude  :Does anyone consider FIOS competition to OOL? Are their packages, prices and reputation competitive enough that you'd consider switching to them? Speaking mainly to the people who have OOL (BOOST) and can get the 50/20 package from Verizon. Because really this is what's going to get OOL to release a faster tier sooner, people switching to FIOS/competition. Personally, I want the 50/20, but I can't spend $95 a month (with a contract) Yes, I think so... I got the triple play, and I'm saving approximately $60/month over having iO, OOL and Verizon phone service separate. 20/5, which is more than OOL's 15/2 and the picture looks a lot clearer than iO and the OnDemand and other interactive feature work without having a lot of pixelation or any errors at all. Overall, I'd say the service is awesome... However, OOL is still a great deal for people who don't have FIOS as an option. DSL can't even compete with OOL... OOL is by far one of the best ISPs in this country.
Also, be careful. You're about to get flamed as this is the OOL forum and talking about FIOS here is a no no... Just letting you know...
-Tzale
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ
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Yes, they compete with each other. The prices are very similar.
Verizon has been constantly adjusting their Internet packages. It has changed at least 2 times in the past year. The pricing for CV is consistent throughout their markets while it varies for Verizon. Your prices in NY (if your tag info is correct) are less then mine in NJ for some tiers, while others are the same. The speeds with Verizon have been consistent as far as I can tell (I'm not a heavy downloader) and they have seem to have the same DNS and email issues that pop-up on CV from time to time.
What Verizon is having sever issues with is billing and customer service, which I never had with CV. There are report after report of billing issues taking hours of calls and some times months to resolve. Also, the customer service folks seem to know less then we can easily find on the Internet ourselves with packages/pricing and support. If it doesn't happen to you, the problem is someone elses, but if it does, it's a real PITA!
The triple play is about the same between the 2 providers though with Verizon, the triple play gets you POTS phone and not VOIP, but you don't get all the features of VOIP. At this moment, for TV, Verizon pretty much requires a STB on every TV where you can get away with a bit more channels on CV's analog service then with Verizon. CV also has more HD channels right now. When I switched about a year ago, I felt the SD quality was a bit better with FIOS and the HD quality was the same.
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obeythelaw
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join:2003-04-16
Bayonne, NJ
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i think i'm in the minority on this one, but I don't think FIOS brings a lot competition to the table against OOL. I've had OOL for about 6 years. Never had a problem. Speed has always been consistent. Had iO for a short while, but kept my Directv which I've had for 7 years. And I think that's the sticking point for me: I wouldn't switch from Directv to FIOS or iO. So right there, I really can't take advantage of the triple play because I don't think FIOS or iO can compare to Directv in terms of channels and HD. I recently received a service notification that FIOS TV and Internet is available in my neighborhood. As of now, I'm not switching.
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ
| The price advantage is definitely switching and going with the triple play for either CV or FIOS. That's how everyone "saves" money. The internet pricing is pretty on par, though it's switching so much with Verizon it's hard to actually determine what the price is (and the sales pages are just flat out wrong last time I looked).
Switching individual services might save you money or cost your more - it all depends on what each persons specific need is. I wasn't having issues with CV when I switched. I switched for the technology - to understand, become familiar with it and to be able to appropriately recommend solutions to family and friends. I am considering switching back to CV because they've really moved ahead with HD content. Verizon is promising more in the 1st half of 2008 so we'll see how that goes.
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jaa
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I think they are competitive, for now. As you say, you don't want to pay more for a higher tier. I think the real competition is at the low-tier level. Most people don't want to pay more, they want to pay less. I would prefer to pay less for 10/1 than the $45 I pay for 15/2.
With the current technology, FIOS has more headroom - but the demand for that is in the future for most users.
My prediction is OOL will remain competitive for at least 5 years, providing speeds that 95% of their service area wants. The 5% that want 100/100 will go to FIOS or other providers.
FIOS has an expensive infrastructure and delivery model; I don't see how they can compete on price with CV. I think they are making their money in other parts of the country where there is less competition and they can charge significantly higher prices for the same service. If all cable providers offered internet service comparable to OOL it would crush Verizon. They are fortunate to operate in many areas with no comparable services, so they can charge a lot more.
I am going to stay with OOL for at least the next 5 years - it will be that long until FIOS or other FTTH is available to me. I'm just glad CV does not rape me in the interim, like Verizon is doing to their customers who don't have a competing service. If CV teritory were a "poor" or "minority" area, Verizon would get their ass sued over their pricing structure. Nobody cares now because it is just a bunch of rich northeasterners.
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Solitude
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Very intelligent, thought-provoking replies by all.
I've been with OOL for about five years, have OOL Boost, and I consider myself a power user who wants the best, fastest, most reliable internet access.
Aside from OOL's usenet server which I basically refuse to believe exists because it's so bad, I'm happy with OOL.
But now that Verizon is offering this sexy 50/20 line I'm tempted to migrate their way. The only thing(s) that are holding me back are the hassles of disconnecting OOL, and signing up for FIOS, and fear that the line doesn't deliver its advertised speeds. Also, the price is kinda high, and I'm hesitant to sign their one year contract.
I have minimal interest in their respective TV offerings as I just watch the Giants and Yankees on TV.
I guess I'm just anxious for OOL to release a faster tier.
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andvari
join:2003-05-21
Freehold, NJ | reply to Solitude
I think that the two services are very close - it all determines what individual preferences you have. Personally, since I run a web server off my home machine I fine OOL with port 80 open to be preferred. |
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Chris123NT
join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY
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said by Solitude :Very intelligent, thought-provoking replies by all. I've been with OOL for about five years, have OOL Boost, and I consider myself a power user who wants the best, fastest, most reliable internet access. Aside from OOL's usenet server which I basically refuse to believe exists because it's so bad, I'm happy with OOL. But now that Verizon is offering this sexy 50/20 line I'm tempted to migrate their way. The only thing(s) that are holding me back are the hassles of disconnecting OOL, and signing up for FIOS, and fear that the line doesn't deliver its advertised speeds. Also, the price is kinda high, and I'm hesitant to sign their one year contract. I have minimal interest in their respective TV offerings as I just watch the Giants and Yankees on TV. I guess I'm just anxious for OOL to release a faster tier. I can assure you the FiOS 50/20 tier delivers advertised speeds:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 50546 kbps (6318.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 18775 kbps (2346.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
And as for competition, yes FiOS does offer competition against OOL, but since competition is good for the customer, whos complaining? :P |
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Tzale
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NYC Metro
| reply to Solitude
said by Solitude :Does anyone consider FIOS competition to OOL? Are their packages, prices and reputation competitive enough that you'd consider switching to them? Speaking mainly to the people who have OOL (BOOST) and can get the 50/20 package from Verizon. Because really this is what's going to get OOL to release a faster tier sooner, people switching to FIOS/competition. Personally, I want the 50/20, but I can't spend $95 a month (with a contract) FIOS bandwidth for me is more stable than OOL... It's also closer to advertised speeds.. If you can get FIOS, I highly recommend the triple play.
-Tzale
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user3657
join:2000-04-27
Trenton, NJ
| reply to Solitude
fios is in my area and im really thinking of switching to the 20/20 or 50/20. i would have to get fios biz so i can host my servers, that is the only downside i see.
ive never had issues with ool. my biggest issue is fios has 4x the upload. i dont understand why ool cant just increase the upload bandwidth a little or even charge $5 extra for more upload. if we have to wait for docis 3 i bet that wont be for another year before ool implants docis 3 and fios will have 100/50 then.
i already have 2 boost accounts from ool costing me 125 a month........i can get the 20/20 even cheaper. i dont know what im waiting for. ive had ool since theyeve came out, maybe i am too loyal. |
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Tzale
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| said by user3657 :fios is in my area and im really thinking of switching to the 20/20 or 50/20. i would have to get fios biz so i can host my servers, that is the only downside i see. ive never had issues with ool. my biggest issue is fios has 4x the upload. i dont understand why ool cant just increase the upload bandwidth a little or even charge $5 extra for more upload. if we have to wait for docis 3 i bet that wont be for another year before ool implants docis 3 and fios will have 100/50 then. i already have 2 boost accounts from ool costing me 125 a month........i can get the 20/20 even cheaper. i dont know what im waiting for. ive had ool since theyeve came out, maybe i am too loyal. Switch... OOL can't provide much more upload bandwidth due to DOCSIS limitations right now. |
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user3657
join:2000-04-27
Trenton, NJ | the thing i dont get is docsis 2 specs cause for 38 down and up. so with all this competiton why isnt ool giving more upload? even at a fee? |
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Tzale
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NYC Metro
| said by user3657 :the thing i dont get is docsis 2 specs cause for 38 down and up. so with all this competiton why isnt ool giving more upload? even at a fee? Actually, upstream is approximately 27mbps on DOCSIS 2... I believe standard OOL still uses DOCSIS 1.1, which is 38mbps down and 9mbps up... There is simply NOT enough bandwidth available for them to offer higher upload.. I think right now 5mbps is the most they can offer... If they offer 30/20 or something to compete with FIOS, they will quickly run into the problem of 1 user nearly maxing out the node. This is not a problem with FIOS since the download / upload bandwidth is MUCH MUCH higher at the neighborhood level than cable DOCSIS networks. This will be relieved a little bit at DOCSIS 3 when the bandwidth limitations at the node are raised to 152mbps down / 108mbps up.
-Tzale
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jaa
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said by user3657 :the thing i dont get is docsis 2 specs cause for 38 down and up. so with all this competiton why isnt ool giving more upload? even at a fee? It is not their market. They are focused on the low to middle 90% of the market that is price sensitive and wants 15/2, and the next 8% that wants 30/5. They have no price-competitive offering to compete in the top 2% of the market.
It is cheaper for them to get a new customer that is happy with 2 or 5mbit upload than it is to support an existing customer that wants more upload. They are willing to cede that small market niche to the competition.
If they can get rid of the customer that uses a steady 10/1 and replace it with 10 customers whose combined usage is less, they have 10 times the revenue and less load on the network. At $6000/yr revenue vs $600/yr revenue, they can spend a lot of advertising/promotions to acquire new customers.
If you want more than 5mbps upload, no point in waiting on OOL. Switch to FIOS.
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Yaveo
join:2007-12-02
Bayonne, NJ | reply to Solitude
FIOS is not in my area yet, but even if it were, I would probably stick with OOL since I get Boost for $30/month. |
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JKonline
join:2005-11-26
Yonkers, NY
| reply to Solitude
Cablevision vs FIOS- I have the same loyalty to them as they have to me - none. I will go with whoever gives me the best bang for my buck. Anyone who does different is a moron. I had Vonage, Dish and Cable Internet. Now all 3 are Cablevison because they offered me the best service for the money spent. If FIOS makes me a better offer then goodby Cable! |
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s bassaw
join:2006-06-11
New Rochelle, NY
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It's either Optimum or it's not.
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Solitude
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