hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
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November 18th, @06:52PM
| ISP Co-Op?
A friend of mine were talking the other day about our internet providers and being limited to what speeds they offer since we really only have 2; AT&T DSL and Time Warner Cable. And since they both compete with each other none of them are willing to deploy anything new as far as speeds go and are very limited as in upload also being stuck at their pricing packages such as if you don't bundle with Cable you suffer the higher price no matter what.
Does anyone have any opinions on ISPs that are started in the form of Co-Ops? |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| co-ops work when you have volume. no disrespect intended, but even if they charge you "business" rates DSL and cable are residential services. you'll never have any buying power with that, especially if you could be considered as their competitor. how about some T1 circuits from a Tier 1 provider?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| I didnt say anything about reselling services from the Bells or the cable companies. I'm talking about actually starting an ISP that does not rely on them in anyway as a co-op. Thats why i asked for thoughts and why I said the topic was brought up. Why would anyone want to resell their access as a Co-Op and still be stuck with the same speeds and basically same service that you already have? Wouldn't make sense you're not happy with the providers speeds now. |
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balazone
60 billion
Premium
join:2002-04-01
Wheeling, WV
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to hottboiinnc
Starting your own ISP is not easy. "Last mile" access is a challenge. You can forget about using cable lines and buying naked phone lines is not cheap (about $30+ month).
So your left with running fiber or wireless. Let's say you go wireless, you will need a tower(s), wireless antennas, customer wireless modems, customer install kits, routers, switches, servers, backhaul (more on this later) a place to put all this and electricity.
For backhaul you will need some T-1 lines or faster. One T-1 will run at least $600+ per month. If you over sell your T-1's 20 to 1 (20 customers per T-1) your looking at $30/month per customer to break even on just the T-1.
So for a cheap wireless setup done somewhat right I would start with at least $100,000+ plus monthly costs.
Co-ops don't really work for the ISP business, there are too many startup and reccuring costs. |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| I know the details of starting a WiSP and using others providers- and good luck on getting naked phone lines; the bells do not have to offer them and tell you; especially AT&T they don't know what you're talking about and do not have to offer them if you get someone that knows anything.
There are several ISPs that were started as Co-Ops i have found by searching. I was simply asking for input on what people thought. Not details about anything else. But whatever. |
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MrTelakom
join:2007-10-22
San Clemente, CA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Not sure what you mean. I work with TWC and if your talking about business they offer a variety of speeds. Uploads from Tier services like 384 up to 2 Megs and downloads from 3M up to 10Megs and Fiber up to what ever??? Not to mention Home Teleworker programs from 10 x 2 up to 15 x 2. That is pretty good speed from the home office. Where can you get a 2meg x 2meg for less than $250.00?? No Install and Equipment Included. Not to mention installed in 2 to 3 Bdays. Obviously if you are in their foot print.
mrtelakom@yahoo.com |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Who wants a contract with the HSI just to get better services designed for what TWC offers for Business. I live in a TWC-Mid Ohio area. Prices vary by market by the way greatly so do speeds and other things such as services. I'm talking about the general home user products; no business class services.
And of course you'd be promoting TWC Business Class since you work for them. Fiber also is only in certain areas; not in all markets or cities plus. And why does every company and opinion have to do with business products just to get faster download speeds? This would be for home users not really targeted to business users. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| said by hottboiinnc  :And why does every company and opinion have to do with business products just to get faster download speeds? This would be for home users not really targeted to business users. because you've posted in the "Business Connectivity" forum?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | I know i posted it here but i figured id get more of a response from business people for the answer not people trying to sell me TWC Products or T-1s right off the bat to residential users. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by hottboiinnc :I know i posted it here but i figured id get more of a response from business people for the answer not people trying to sell me TWC Products or T-1s right off the bat to residential users. Might want to look into Metro Ethernet instead of T1s as backhaul. Install cost will be higher since running fiber is more expensive than copper T1s, but bandwidth should be cheaper per month. |
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