pcbill941
join:2007-11-08
| EMBARQ Hijacks Browser Search Capabilities
As of this morning, 11/08 here in Florida, Embarq has hijacked a persons ability to search from the address bar in Internet Explorer. They automatically re-direct you to »search.embarq.com/index.php. One has the option to opt out of “EMBARQ's non-existing domain landing service”, funny how one never opts into these things, but when you do you are left without being able to search from the address bar at all. Basically they have their servers from looking up the DNS for »auto.search.msn.com
This looks primarily as a way to shove advertising down customers throats. But I ask what’s next from ISP’s? Will they decide what we can and can’t view on the Internet?
Bill |
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orph4824
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Greeneville, TN | Haven't noticed this behavior, however I don't rely on Embarq's DNS either so that could be the reason. |
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bctrainers
join:2004-08-03
Olathe, KS | reply to pcbill941
I've been using OpenDNS for the past months now. No need to worry about the DNS Search hijacking anymore. (Unless they begin to force redirect IP's within the network!)  |
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pcbill941
join:2007-11-08 | reply to pcbill941
I looked at OpenDNS and put their IP's into my router and ended up right back at search.embarq.com/index.php when I entered a non URL in the address bar.
Bill |
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orph4824
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join:2001-04-26
Greeneville, TN
| Sounds like you didn't release and renew you pc's ip/dns after you set the info in your router.
click Start
then Run
enter cmd then click ok
type the following seperately
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew
That will pull a fresh ip and dns from your router, then you should no longer see Embarq's, OpenDNS has thier own mistyped url redirect also but you can opt out of it easily enough, you can even create shortcuts so for instance "dslr" can redirect you to the full dslr url.
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MrMoody
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| reply to pcbill941
I just noticed this happened a few days ago. While I'm against this sort of thing in principle, it really doesn't bother me too much in this case. If it keeps my bill down and funds expansion, so be it. Just don't get the idea you can start doing more invasive tinkering.
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nbnick
@embarqhsd.net
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Bastages! It just happened to me as well. I opted out but now I'm getting redirected to »domainhelp.search.com.
Anyone seen this before?
Also, I should note this only happens when I'm using IE. If I use my Firefox browser it's not a problem. |
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bbman122
@qwest.net | Sounds like you have a toolbar or something else controlling browser behavior. |
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | reply to pcbill941
I had the same thing happen to me a few weeks ago. There was an opt-out option, which I selected. |
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gg23
@embarqhsd.net
| Just spent 40 minutes on phone with Embarq support. Ralph did not know anything about issue of address bar search failure. He spoke with Techs that are just as uninformed or will not admit they are the problem. I did Optout and my searches immediately changed from going to Embarqs Search page to "The page cannot be displayed" page, but the address bar search will not work. |
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MrMoody
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| said by gg23 :
the address bar search will not work. That's because it relies on getting a real "domain not found" error from DNS instead of just another Embarq page that LOOKS like one. The only way to fix it is switch DNS to an unadulterated server. It would be nice if Embarq would provide this as an option.
Savvy users can run their own local DNS server if they have a machine that's always on. I've done this in the past when Time Warner's DNS servers were constantly bogged down or screwed up. It makes browsing faster, too.
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Maxo
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clubs:
| said by MrMoody  :It would be nice if Embarq would provide this as an option. When you get redirected to Embarq's search there should be an opt-out button. There was for me. |
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MrMoody
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2 edits | That's not the same as having a DNS server that returns an error indication when there's no such domain. Opting out just gives you a different result page with error text instead of search results. A nonexistent domain now returns the IP address of a server at customers.simplicita.com whether you opt out or not. The server checks your opt-out status (presumably by your IP address - I wonder how well it keeps up with dynamic IPs), then if you're opted out returns an error page, or if not, a search results page. Your local application has no way of knowing if the domain was invalid - all queries return an IP address.
I meant the option of separate, unadulterated DNS servers for customers to use.
Edit: Simplicita is owned by Sandvine, ugh.
Edit 2: Opting out unadulterates the DNS server. |
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Maxo
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1 edit | I didn't realise that. Thanks for the clarification. I rarely mistype URLs. I usually start typing them and then complete it from the address bars history. I'll have to mistype a URL when I get home to watch it in action.
I don't think it will have a problem tracking who has opted out, as the DSLAM does do background PPPoE with the Redback, that the user never sees, and this can easily be stored in their LDAP server, or whatever Embarq uses to store information on it's customers. I may be wrong on this point since this is a DNS level "feature." I wonder if they have their DNS servers talking to whatever servers store the customers profile. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
| reply to Maxo
May I suggest that you try using 'nslookup' from a command prompt? I don't have the Embarq DNS server IP addresses (and even if I did, Embarq may obstruct access from outside of their IP network). But I can see the difference between using an error correcting DNS server and a straight, unadulterated DNS server.
Standard DNS (provided by my ISP):
Some utilities depend upon that error to function correctly.
Error-correcting DNS (using OpenDNS):
Those utilities which depend upon an error to function properly will fail to function with this result.
If you opt out of Embarq's DNS error corrections, will you get the first result, or the second when you run 'nslookup' from a command prompt. Try it and post your results. I am curious.
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MrMoody
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2 edits | reply to MrMoody
Hmm, seems I was wrong. Opting out (of both options presented) returns:
Server: unknown
Address: 192.168.1.1
*** unknown can't find www.typo.con: Non-existent domain
And fixes the search from address bar. The DNS addresses did not change. Apparently the DNS server is checking accounts before returning results. |
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | reply to NormanS
If I remember when I get home tonight I'll do that. |
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dagman52
join:2007-11-12
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| reply to Maxo
Features and Benefits
* Per-user preferences that function independent of cookies and dynamic IP addresses for opt-out and opt-in - improves subscriber experience with holistic preferences and controls integrated into the “My Account” experience
»www2.simplicita.com/product_nxd.html |
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Maxo
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| reply to NormanS
Mind you, this is on Linux:
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espaeth
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1 edit | reply to NormanS
FYI -- you can also disable OpenDNS's error correction service if you register with them. (No cost)
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