Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to R0CKY
Re: tsi unlimited logins
can't you team up with third party isps if you have to verizon and offer service through a new medium ie adsl2+ on a shared medium that no one party controls? |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to joshb
said by joshb  :All that being said I think your end of year prediction is right on the dot.... It's unfortunate that it's come to this but it's likely past the point of no return with the big boys at this point.
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | the small isp's could try to push them back  |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to Angelo_
said by Angelo_ :can't you team up with third party isps if you have to verizon and offer service through a new medium ie adsl2+ on a shared medium that no one party controls? Yes.... You mind being disconnected for about 5-10 years while we implement it!? 
...this is why the CRCT puts plans in place for having Bell/Telus/etc open up to others. There just too much involved both in geography and legals, never-mind costs.
Rocky
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Premium
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Calgary, AB
clubs:
 ·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Shaw
 ·Primus Talkbroadband
 ·GoDaddy Hosting
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said by R0CKY :said by joshb :All that being said I think your end of year prediction is right on the dot.... It's unfortunate that it's come to this but it's likely past the point of no return with the big boys at this point. I Think it was a matter time....I have to be honest I am surprised it has taken this long for them to start cracking down on people.....
I thought this was all going to happen a long time ago........With how fast demand is out pacing supply I am surpised it took this long for the crack down to start.....
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
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said by Angelo_ :the small isp's could try to push them back Good luck... As much as it sucks to say, why would I go after Bell or Rogers for, in the end, protecting us? They're working on cutting off abusers, which in the end are going to abuse us if they're allowed to.
So, starting legal action on a Bell, in order to have a financial loss if we win our case hardly makes sense.
Sounds like a good gamble that they're putting on to me!
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18
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might have to start soemwhere... looks like it will be the only option in the meanwhile you guys would still use bell lines. A easy way to offload the costs could be install stingers in areas where you got customers and as you grow expand it.
but this isn't going to be pretty in the end. You could always do a big screw you to big bell and partner with BIG US isps who would die to get into our market..., ie adsl2 services at x rate threw isp x |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Doubt a Verizon would have much interest in stepping over... they'd be best to keep with the population State Side.
Now, with all the stuff going on between China/US, if we were to merge somehow with the US for our dollar, then who knows what could come next. With the walls down between the two countries, just about anything is possible, and with China's accelerated growth....hmm....
Rocky
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
how i see it bell wants to cry foul get another gaint who'd love more clients :P, yah i agree if we were to merge our networks it would get very interesting |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
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join:2006-03-04
Calgary, AB
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·TELUS
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·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
·GoDaddy Hosting
| reply to R0CKY
Rocky,
Just do us all a huge favour...When you put new policies in place make sure people know about it....please make sure you publize it....Don't be like Telus or Bell or Rogers where you don't find out anything until you see the bill.....
Being very forward and very open about your abuse policies in the end is going to save you from bad publicity...
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to Angelo_
said by Angelo_ :how i see it bell wants to cry foul get another gaint who'd love more clients :P, yah i agree if we were to merge our networks it would get very interesting Hehehe.. .it's late, and I added a bit of the philosophical touch to the whole thing.... In the end, it will entirely depend on where the duopolies decide they want to bring the market.
I personally think it's a bridge to cross at this point, before the speeds get higher, as once they are, man, things are going to be a mess really fast if we're not careful!
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to joshb
said by joshb :Rocky, Just do us all a huge favour...When you put new policies in place make sure people know about it....please make sure you publize it....Don't be like Telus or Bell or Rogers where you don't find out anything until you see the bill..... Being very forward and very open about your abuse policies in the end is going to save you from bad publicity... Huh... why would we want to tell you this?!
I hear you.... You haven't had the chance to experience us much, but you'll quickly see, we're a little different on this front!
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
this will suck  |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Premium
join:2006-03-04
Calgary, AB
clubs:
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
·GoDaddy Hosting
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :said by joshb :Rocky, Just do us all a huge favour...When you put new policies in place make sure people know about it....please make sure you publize it....Don't be like Telus or Bell or Rogers where you don't find out anything until you see the bill..... Being very forward and very open about your abuse policies in the end is going to save you from bad publicity... Huh... why would we want to tell you this?! I hear you.... You haven't had the chance to experience us much, but you'll quickly see, we're a little different on this front! I hope it's different in a good way.....
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Premium
join:2006-03-04
Calgary, AB
clubs:
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
·GoDaddy Hosting
| reply to Angelo_
said by Angelo_ :this will suck It could be a lot worse.....You could be dealing with Rogers........ 
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
with caps i dunno who i rather deal with lol! i hate caps with a passion |
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Moonlight_x
@videotron.ca
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joshb
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said by qweloo :But wasnt the fact that premium and unlimited were on different peering network the way to make unlimited profitable ? Cogent bandwidth costs ~$10/250GB... but all outbound traffic goes over Peer1 under normal circumstances IIRC - one of the TSI guys said something about this in another thread. The other backbones are more expensives, somewhere in the area of $10/150GB. Routing Unlimited traffic over Cogent is a cost-reduction measure to reduce losses on high usage accounts.
TSI charges $30/month, rents lines from Bell/Telus at ~$15/month, have something like $5/month in miscellaneous recurrent per-account operating costs and this leaves about $10 for bandwidth and profit... so, after ~250GB, an unlimited account becomes a loss-making account.
Bandwidth is not free and neither is it unlimited. |
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AnonShawUser
join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB
| reply to Angelo_
If all else fails, offer an a'la carte tiering system? Put in hard monthly caps, but let people either pay higher monthly to have a greatly increased monthly cap(say $10 for 100GB/month extra).
If the number as suggested earlier is correct and the host is paying about $10/250GB, then even having heavy abusers using 1TB/month would cost them base(250GB/month for the $30, which already puts the caps well beyond anything anyone else offers), it allows you to be nicely profitable on lower end users, and it's a 2.5x cover charge for overage and profit. It would turn the heavy abusers into heavy profit sources. They pay $100/month, they get 950GB/month, you make a huge profit, the initial host gets the cost of their bandwidth paid for, you get a higher profile for having the best near-unlimited service, where you actually can scale to what the customer needs, and it means that you can expand to other areas.
Plus, you could implement QoS throttling for the heavier users, during prime times. Reduce them to idle throughput, and tell them to move on if they want to complain. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
i'd pay 50 for my 3 meg service... |
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maxfield
join:2007-09-01
Lasalle, QC
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Hi Rocky.
I will be leaving Sympatico at the end of November and after my Xmas vacation I am thinking seriously about joining Teksavvy.
I need to know whether this is still possible:
I plan to have my main service as the Unlimited DSL and add a Premium DSL login for my gaming (every ms in ping reduction helps). So I will be paying $29.99 + $10 to Teksavvy. Since Teksavvy will be my ISP as well as DSL login provider, I hope this still works.
I can understand that people enabled with ADSL2+ downloading with a Teksavvy DSL login can do serious damage to Teksavvy for only $10. So deleting this offer from the Teksavvy's website makes sense. But will Teksavvy offer the DSL logins on a case-by-case basis, like the scenario described above?
Thanks. |
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