Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
Re: tsi unlimited logins
or a group where bw is shared.... users can set wwho gets what priority.
rocky the cable internet may help those of uswho have bad dsl lines  |
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Moonlight_x
@videotron.ca
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said by Angelo_  :so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines?? TSI does not have tens/hundreds of millions in their bank accounts to finance such a thing. It would be nice to have a next-gen optical network as the third option but multi-billion companies are not in the business of spending hundreds of millions to capture high-maintenance markets (low population density = lots of long fiber runs to service a few customers here and there... extremely expensive installation and potentially very expensive maintenance) we have in Canada, even more so when commercial success is unclear at best.
As long as TSI will be offering $30 ADSL, the simplest and only logical thing to do is kill unlimited... cap it to no more than 500GB to keep Bell not too unhappy - all ADSL traffic does have to go through at least part of Bell's core switches to get to/from DSLAMs to/from ISP trunks. With the number of subscribers switching from cable to unlimited ADSL, Bell and Telus' core switches are going to have a workout. |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
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join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON | reply to Angelo_
I guess the 16 meg users ruined it for some. |
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neko
All Hail Canada
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If Tek does put a cap on, I wouldn't mind as long as it's not 60Gb like the Cable companies. I see the number 500Gb being thrown around, that wouldn't be too bad. It's way more than I download in a month anyway, so it wouldn't affect me, but it would be nice to have a high cap. |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
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| said by neko :If Tek does put a cap on, I wouldn't mind as long as it's not 60Gb like the Cable companies. I see the number 500Gb being thrown around, that wouldn't be too bad. It's way more than I download in a month anyway, so it wouldn't affect me, but it would be nice to have a high cap. There premium is 100 gigs and so the unlimited account if it was to get capped would be more than that....As far what is reason amount I'm not they guy to ask...I do about about 350 - 500 gigs a month depending on how much I work from home...Now with the new wireless cards we have at the office and the real nice laptops that should get cut down a lot.....
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Candoo3
join:2005-01-24
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said by R0CKY : Rogers, Cogeco, Videotron, Shaw... They're all starting to clamp down too.... By Christmas, if all the trends hold, every single large TelCo and CableCo will have heavy downloaders either locked down/out or throttled. Rocky If this is the case and the main objective of the ISP's, then why even bother offering these users to upgrade their profiles? All that it would boil down to is more $$ to the ISP's, as it doesn't resolve the primary issue and concern. The average user will still suffer, from overloaded equipment, given that practice. |
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daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON
·Primus Talkbroadband
| Heh! I knew this would happen eventually... certain ppl abusing the good things in life ruining it for others shame on them.. to be honest they should be cut off\throttled till they learn. I think 1 tb of usage a month is way overkill even for one person. I have serveral workstations/users, servers,voip and online gaming and I still don't come near my cap in month and I never worry about it. |
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jfmezei
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join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
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Mister Rocky:
I would much rather see ISPs "self control" their offering to prevent Bell/Nexia from putting in controls at the DSL and ATM cloud level.
I would be very comfortable if you installed limits to everyone, but make those limits reasonable and also move them up as available bandwith increases/or as you can afford.
In terms of the cogent vs peer1, perhaps the "unlimited" could have 200 gig limit while the peer1 would be at 125.
(or whatever). You may also need to automate accounting of bandwidth consumption so that you can offer affordable purchase of excess bandwidth.
I realise that the introduction of the unlimited offerering was as a result of demand for such a service. But if they are going to ruin it for everyone, and you end up losing the unlimited business anyways, you might as well kill the unlimited offering now before they ruin it for everyone. |
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daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON
·Primus Talkbroadband
| Hear .. Hear to that.. I agree on the capping Unlimited side somethings that's in the fine print but made clear if you go over. If the Unlimited is in demand then it should be priced accordingly perhaps several ten's of dollars above premium. If they want it that bad they will pay for it. Esp if big players are capping. Just my 2 cents .. |
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Frozty2k
join:2002-04-21
Oakville, ON
·Cogeco Cable
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| said by daboom :Hear .. Hear to that.. I agree on the capping Unlimited side somethings that's in the fine print but made clear if you go over. If the Unlimited is in demand then it should be priced accordingly perhaps several ten's of dollars above premium. If they want it that bad they will pay for it. Esp if big players are capping. Just my 2 cents .. Well don't forget people in the middle, I'll use more then 100GB but I wouldn't want to pay for 500GB |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
hey leave my 500gb usage alone! |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
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But wasnt the fact that premium and unlimited were on different peering network the way to make unlimited profitable ?
In essence unlimited users were paying the same price but were put on a network with more latency so that to lower cost.
I wonder how Korea and sweden gets 10+ Mpbs unlimited fiber residential service when we, with our billions of surplus, are struggling with this. Their people are more technology oriented and elects politicians who make it a priority to set standards/invest in/develop network infrastructure ?
Private companies lacking regulation will never make the hard choices and invest for the collective good nor should they some would argue. |
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daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON | reply to Frozty2k
Well Frozty2k, they already have stuff for ppl like you averagein out two months etc. Or so much per gb over after. |
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Frozty2k
join:2002-04-21
Oakville, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by daboom :Well Frozty2k, they already have stuff for ppl like you averagein out two months etc. Or so much per gb over after. I'd be willing to pay more, but not $3/GB as the overage fee is  (Not when it only costs a few cents in reality)
I would probably average somewhere 120-150GB, so I don't think ten's of dollars more would be nice.
So just saying, if going that route have multiple packages or a fair price per/gb i.e. buy extra chunks of 10-50GB for a few dollars. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
1 edit | Been waiting to annouce this portion but, effective November 1st, the transit rate will be $1/GB over on overage.
The part we haven't figured out yet is what we're doing with unlimited.... and for what it's worth, we're waiting to see what the deal is with the login/abusers situation will come up with. If we can come up with a happy medium with everyone, then we will, simple as that. We're in it to make money, but the goal is still to keep to our commitments/promises.
Rocky
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
so no more unlimited??? |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
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1 edit | reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :said by Angelo_ :how about offering cable internet :P hehe im so greedy :P Rogers, Cogeco, Videotron, Shaw... They're all starting to clamp down too.... By Christmas, if all the trends hold, every single large TelCo and CableCo will have heavy downloaders either locked down/out or throttled. Rocky Why do you think I pay $140 odd dollars a month in ISP's Fees to now three different ISP's......
That all being I use my home connections not only for personal but also for work some times.....(I would never leave the office other wise)I can't afford to get into trouble with an ISP........very possibly could cost me job....
All that being said I think your end of year prediction is right on the dot....
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
honnestly if rocky can get a better plan them all of us are forced to pay per gb over i'd be happy lol |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
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said by Angelo_ :so no more unlimited??? Never said that..... Just not sure how to deal with it yet, and until we find a suitable option that makes sense to us, we're going to keep selling what we said we'd sell.... Unlimited and Premium!
I'm just pointing out the obvious right now... There's a lot of crap that's starting to go down of late and better air it out now before a freight train side swipes us all!
Rocky
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to Angelo_
josh i thought you said you were going to bed |
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